X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=V9OqXZWSSc11IL+9TYY6Mkt+SFs1GMuR5DRgibWyi78=; b=q+2jkrBepQMhc7lUo3ikj/3vqyrFMzCsn9usol/Z7RXuyu2ccOSL+59KL1W846n0KI SD8i94EDT+eCBF8nnH/ud1roh7oLuGpk2yM8ynOVkIvq8dN+PSqmbbZXFZ9zv4vw1ax5 KXOgUtsuaOn3Lnu6MK99rdVxMkB/48JMMN5cyZbBR98Ydatkn4k3o/LvmlTw0ieoU1rW w7awoE9WoPfPe9gcLhhqcpfRXczDlJPAK+PfQx3fZGj/x1CDEMpqHMnYBxARqNiYO4SN xsqH/S+pqG3VWjJ4Cy1NdTQ1/8P7EWPcQRk0FhQzh7j3gxyi1gy3VP/A0s1DouZJovFR wH0g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=V9OqXZWSSc11IL+9TYY6Mkt+SFs1GMuR5DRgibWyi78=; b=BoAR5RbzYOAHjnSummNPWiTi0lLBohY8BuJXdNshNrkIdDunqutE2vKwbr6STgB8Oh pNoJgT0xmWcJtjeJ4UyjkVs0Mwz4HbPKXX/zabrjD1GRmfxO9wiNQIS3uAOOBMPO7YH3 B7t+PVJyxcqtZrEiuWXsNOPjcvqMYNPc2dAWMDlm4SNLERkBisHCR0P4L6yRQa67lJAT osshh1Sqo97SiUWLtwV3NNygK76rZ3avgnDO8Lzl4xUSQSFx36WXaS+7emQQlwR/KW9Z tyNiE5/O0WNZR44OjoYSJNQ2rG8pylHS8yDWY9y95gNdsW/3ykgB1/Bj0o58LIjy2JwV bUFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQngy37PPQojGN2g0Lw2jJY1Us+XTu6iFipgoe6o/dYC68Mv6beDrjDjhc2iP6p05MtvrThUTPHaRZaknQ7VAZ/XeV/3lw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.137.194 with SMTP id l185mr11045275lfd.41.1453219058444; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 07:57:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:57:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] [pcb] poll: burried/blind vias vs. pcb and pcb-rnd From: "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: gEDA users mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:32 AM, wrote: > Hi all, > > after some more code reading I found a way to add support for burried/blind > vias in pcb-rnd with reasonable effort, without first having to rewrite > everything and/or inventing new file formats. This could be the next big > feature in pcb-rnd. > > My only problem is that I do not really feel the need for this feature and I > don't want to spend time developing features that wouldn't be used. I am not > sure about other users, tho. If you are interested, please answer these > questions with yes/no, unless specified otherwise (comments are also welcome > after the yes/no). You can send your answer in private if you want to reduce > list traffic. I will collect answers this week and will publish anonimized > results. > > Please focus on answering the questions - see disclaimer at the bottom; I > will ignore posts that attempt to derail the thread and encourage everyone > else to do the same. > > Note: "you" means personally you, not your friends or subcontractors. > > POLL: > > 1. How many of your boards REQUIRE burried or blind vias? [percentage] 0 > 2. How many of your boards could BENEFIT burried or blind vias? [percentage] 2 or 3 out of about 30. > 3. When your board REQUIRED them, do you more often find a workaround to > stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool? [yes/no] Yes > 4. When your board could BENEFIT using them, do you more often find a > workaround to stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool? > [yes/no] Yes but only because PCB-RND is newer to me than to the projects I had that needed this kind of density. > 5. Have you ever tried pcb-rnd? [yes/no] Yes > 6. Would you try pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias? [yes/no] Yes > 7. Would you consider switching to pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias? > [yes/no] No. I would switch to PCB-RND for other reasons but this is not a key feature to me. > 8. Approximately how many boards have you done so far with pcb (pcb > mainline/branches/forks included, using gschem/gnetlist not required)? "1 > board done" means you had one or more physical copies of the board. [rough > estimation, positive integer] 2 > 9. Approximately how many boards have you done with other packages? [rough > estimation, positive integer] 1 (orcad) > 10. What OS would you prefer to do your pcb layouts on (assuming your > favorite layout tool is/would be available on it)? [one of: (GNU/)Linux, > *BSD, OSX, windows, other; if you like more, select the one you would spend > most time on!] Linux, and OSX. > > ANTI-NOISE DISCLAIMER: this mail has nothing to do with: > - gschem/libgeda/gnetlist; > - pcb file format preferences; > - programming languages; > - VCS, development workflow preferences; > - integration vs. toolkit; > - "how broken pcb is"; > - "how perfect geda/gaf is". > If you think you've found a part that does have a connection to any of these > topics, please DO NOT reply to that part or make a new thread with a new > subject and move the specific part there. ROFL > TIA, > > Igor2 -- Home http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ Work http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/ -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v2 mQENBFYy4RYBCAC183JomLtbdAlcKiaPDoVHq52LDmVmH75aiEc69m7YxDt54/ai VtYCAobbGVIyn3Hlz3uhF6LnPl/6Lm1VdnCfpwu3KQhCO6ds10ow2C30X4ohCqOd hCVg5C+ILmQkEffFrFODy3ji+PYTF4pADvHCWsTMv0hf0llwFOJsBCK6cl02IffE JPqy4PjM1nZ9HpzT84JBaG/4OGvTZ8SQ2yFUl265jagvygPTf88H1xpZHH1r8dB1 stjUHLmPH8AOyDgKxFchgGeDc3p/vJtgDDIXAFfDXG0NSRovLmtaQdGxe47Zf/go bXiEM7YL2WqQe5zfEA919JxkEwlDKYniOSVzABEBAAG0N0V2YW4gRm9zcyAoVGhp cyBpcyBteSBwdWJsaWMga2V5LikgPGV2YW5mb3NzQGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JATkEEwEC ACMFAlYy4RYCGwMHCwkIBwMCAQYVCAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRCIpQTcE8nN bbBaCACAm8pU5lG1ev2Fsw68Axtcl57SJrYieqX96c3YuYH9JpqMqJRnd9nDKw9X tQuvuH7tUk0VbOaDqReOYJVI/4c5wb9AaOFp6K2DUcupq6XhgXpvz3HzoPwjAdIj XuQzdRUx5+innTJrSkGuBYW/CZ2zqEx4xfLlq4rO0hoTUMR8QVp2cCrkw6BT0m86 APIw/ZnjoxM8IEzr7MxfRIg3qpzrZk28rmhx+k78Jyk61UhwcCPGIm/pjUopTwYJ 3YBdRB2cYD2aN7A1JVf5cRmSQYooHBGpH0kYvomGk97PKqypVuJ7OpG9xM58wUcC qUVt9hKlePLzP8csYjt8onqI7qIIuQENBFYy4RYBCADlH8spG3WkCx62vB5mr5Z0 SCDd/RcyA4A5y5EOj5KurQkrSWpgi9Ho1yKruMJ6blQR2qkc66KqH9pnXDm/ZI1M K/wdW3ngETxBmXoozzFMT89aEWIVR5/PFodWK1elekE9iJxACuR98Zg2QttTD3x8 A9w8VEyMLOXcDTrPFpHegMKswFBg5iuMulAdXAoGejWTI3n+qKFpabHm2Lfs6wjk 5rjucpTdeFK6UeWF1xAvNxXibuu5BlGwv53930qIXRwO/Gn2Rh5DXWxKU2fEIme/ xgQQmIsDeUoWbfybdjw/x7Q0LW4mINiLDQcGHHRQKFIxbAJCT3USPLGh5xwE9/Er ABEBAAGJAR8EGAECAAkFAlYy4RYCGwwACgkQiKUE3BPJzW0uYAf9Hf30n8tM3mR2 Zo6ESE0ivgdgjaJtAWrBUx7JzAzPjBnBOlNnu5Y9lVEqetvUPH6e3PvaHYUuaUU8 0HwxuKBW9nUprgV6uIu1DZmlcp+SxpbuCy7RDpNocRLNWWFMaYYzznmTgfnTgD4D gCq8Mf1mcfrluTkOAo+QNqbMfl1GISClopRqxVuAo59ewgMnFujwgd8w12BwWl24 CzqOs5HqcUslePj+LzcjSNgVCklYwKl+0dsb/fctMOCtHodwqm2CBJ+zydvNmYkD fxda/J91Z1xrah5ec++FL0L4vs+jCiIWJeupJFKlr1hCMZiiGH7W554loK5l4jv3 EY347EidAw== =Ta4p -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----