X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=eC6xiqy5sR9dNfe42Gx4IZ5W8GGYBerse+d61tIGF5s=; b=uQHbVQSyk1C1ysggBSvl+89Gy8NVRsuSfhai3ZIkibVWZuyoWhjI56VA10DM15R31t yAkw6NPaMcoGS3UTJ+0qLBXmNwwyD4XXni7e9cXAcup92fzDICp9KzP8mS5We2iKwKN1 Z0/rphKSA0cZ7SWZ+9+GcnJUr5Kxgjdh/fc7STtVe/RwjUeCFt0ATzIUdy6QfUG7TMsD YzV3wTtGHw5RGMe443Pf0Iq1qSHaH8Faf9d5NhJKCj+Jo4AnbmrpStobhR6Rxy97nQv+ /TYpqUWfuUoNFLJtl0efJdDQPHD8Jpobct6WwgOu92oRvaEGLlfAgafsuBwA9yuGiQwv tQ3g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eC6xiqy5sR9dNfe42Gx4IZ5W8GGYBerse+d61tIGF5s=; b=emoeu5dXyTZZgo9q+mh8p61gqwnvSXOq3jEatEPEZWPjFXfuOBAfBwKx+kijrQRDwv tEwiaHEatsg4QoJTlOJlE2OZNHy0eZYw+d9Uy7Cz6xlk5IJ0FyBoXa8LoliabgmXDmK7 xL86lAPoVBX9NLiFQnaHli3HDKd17Rd2qtN1oqQD8Gs6isWTXfDRQn8A1AtfXPqnoIVQ gKhniEmjudDmdIdciDMASVxlrmWBlSXYhGGuyygu1iw4glm5eLMs1blX1eu1bH9eLAKD 9QcDfqTDvYxQeZDcQESULhXSm31UgplyKC/2j3+vmxETnfhL5yZqe9vviuZq8nTa9vzm 0s6Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlm6jXOsGvaXIxmHQsa4RbWdnUvwCrnSTnnF0NNi1ydwzqj5hgn9RwYVe2d2HSm+xrXRJRoKUulCu6o5N6EgEDEAe8Ceg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.55.78.131 with SMTP id c125mr33522794qkb.71.1453147255171; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:00:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 15:00:55 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] [pcb] poll: burried/blind vias vs. pcb and pcb-rnd From: "Marvin Dickens (mpdickens AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: geda-user Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114a7318f38cdf0529a135aa Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --001a114a7318f38cdf0529a135aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Igore2 POLL: >1. How many of your boards REQUIRE burried or blind vias? [percentage] Somewhere around 50% >2. How many of your boards could BENEFIT burried or blind vias? [percentage] Almost all new designs - So around 80% >3. When your board REQUIRED them, do you more often find a workaround to stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool? [yes/no] I use another tool (Altium) >4. When your board could BENEFIT using them, do you more often find a workaround to stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool >This is typically an application centric question (I usually know the answer because of the type of design and/or type of semiconductor packages that will be used...) and I don't start the design in PCB if I think this is going to be the case. >5. Have you ever tried pcb-rnd? [yes/no] No, But I am going to very shortly >6. Would you try pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias? [yes/no] Yes >7. Would you consider switching to pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias? [yes/no] >8. Approximately how many boards have you done so far with pcb (pcb mainline/branches/forks included, using gschem/gnetlist not required)? "1 >board done" means you had one or more physical copies of the board. [rough estimation, positive integer] 30 or so (I think...) >9. Approximately how many boards have you done with other packages? [rough estimation, positive integer] Hundreds - I can put a number to it. >10. What OS would you prefer to do your pcb layouts on (assuming your favorite layout tool is/would be available on it)? [one of: (GNU/)Linux, *BSD, >OSX, windows, other; if you like more, select the one you would spend most time on!] OS X is my number one desktop choice followed by Linux. If I need windows, I run it as a virtual machine in either of the previously mentioned OS's. Best Marvin On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:32 AM, wrote: > Hi all, > > after some more code reading I found a way to add support for > burried/blind vias in pcb-rnd with reasonable effort, without first having > to rewrite everything and/or inventing new file formats. This could be the > next big feature in pcb-rnd. > > My only problem is that I do not really feel the need for this feature and > I don't want to spend time developing features that wouldn't be used. I am > not sure about other users, tho. If you are interested, please answer these > questions with yes/no, unless specified otherwise (comments are also > welcome after the yes/no). You can send your answer in private if you want > to reduce list traffic. I will collect answers this week and will publish > anonimized results. > > Please focus on answering the questions - see disclaimer at the bottom; I > will ignore posts that attempt to derail the thread and encourage everyone > else to do the same. > > Note: "you" means personally you, not your friends or subcontractors. > > POLL: > > 1. How many of your boards REQUIRE burried or blind vias? [percentage] > > 2. How many of your boards could BENEFIT burried or blind vias? > [percentage] > > 3. When your board REQUIRED them, do you more often find a workaround to > stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool? [yes/no] > > 4. When your board could BENEFIT using them, do you more often find a > workaround to stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool? > [yes/no] > > 5. Have you ever tried pcb-rnd? [yes/no] > > 6. Would you try pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias? [yes/no] > > 7. Would you consider switching to pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried > vias? [yes/no] > > 8. Approximately how many boards have you done so far with pcb (pcb > mainline/branches/forks included, using gschem/gnetlist not required)? "1 > board done" means you had one or more physical copies of the board. [rough > estimation, positive integer] > > 9. Approximately how many boards have you done with other packages? [rough > estimation, positive integer] > > 10. What OS would you prefer to do your pcb layouts on (assuming your > favorite layout tool is/would be available on it)? [one of: (GNU/)Linux, > *BSD, OSX, windows, other; if you like more, select the one you would spend > most time on!] > > > > ANTI-NOISE DISCLAIMER: this mail has nothing to do with: > - gschem/libgeda/gnetlist; > - pcb file format preferences; > - programming languages; > - VCS, development workflow preferences; > - integration vs. toolkit; > - "how broken pcb is"; > - "how perfect geda/gaf is". > If you think you've found a part that does have a connection to any of > these topics, please DO NOT reply to that part or make a new thread with a > new subject and move the specific part there. > > > TIA, > > Igor2 > --001a114a7318f38cdf0529a135aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Igore2

POLL:

>1. How many of your boards REQUIRE burried = or blind vias? [percentage]
Somewhere around 50%

>2. How many of your boards could BENEFIT burried or blind vias? [p= ercentage]
Almost all new designs - So a= round 80%

>3. When your boa= rd REQUIRED them, do you more often find a workaround to stick with pcb ins= tead of switching to another design tool? [yes/no]
I use another tool (Altium)

>4. When your board could BENEFIT using them, do you more often= find a workaround to stick with pcb instead of switching to another design= tool
>This is typically an application centric questio= n (I usually know the answer because of the type of design and/or type of s= emiconductor packages that will be used...) and I don't start the desig= n in PCB if I think this is going to be the case.

>5. Have = you ever tried pcb-rnd? [yes/no]
No, But I am going to ver= y shortly

>6. Would you try pcb-rnd if it offered blind/bur= ried vias? [yes/no]
Yes

>7. Would you cons= ider switching to pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias? [yes/no]=


>8. Approximately how= many boards have you done so far with pcb (pcb mainline/branches/forks inc= luded, using gschem/gnetlist not required)? "1
>board done" means you had one or more phy= sical copies of the board. [rough estimation, positive integer]
30 or so (I think...)

>9. Approximately how many boar= ds have you done with other packages? [rough estimation, positive integer]<= /span>
Hundreds - I can put a number to it.

>10. = What OS would you prefer to do your pcb layouts on (assuming your favorite = layout tool is/would be available on it)? [one of: (GNU/)Linux, *BSD,
>OSX, windows, other; if you = like more, select the one you would spend most time on!]

OS X is my number one desktop choice followed by Linux. If I need win= dows, I run it as a virtual machine in either of the=C2=A0previously mentio= ned OS's.


Best

Marvin

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:32 AM, <gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu&g= t; wrote:
Hi all,

after some more code reading I found a way to add support for burried/blind= vias in pcb-rnd with reasonable effort, without first having to rewrite ev= erything and/or inventing new file formats. This could be the next big feat= ure in pcb-rnd.

My only problem is that I do not really feel the need for this feature and = I don't want to spend time developing features that wouldn't be use= d. I am not sure about other users, tho. If you are interested, please answ= er these questions with yes/no, unless specified otherwise (comments are al= so welcome after the yes/no). You can send your answer in private if you wa= nt to reduce list traffic. I will collect answers this week and will publis= h anonimized results.

Please focus on answering the questions - see disclaimer at the bottom; I w= ill ignore posts that attempt to derail the thread and encourage everyone e= lse to do the same.

Note: "you" means personally you, not your friends or subcontract= ors.

POLL:

1. How many of your boards REQUIRE burried or blind vias? [percentage]

2. How many of your boards could BENEFIT burried or blind vias? [percentage= ]

3. When your board REQUIRED them, do you more often find a workaround to st= ick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool? [yes/no]

4. When your board could BENEFIT using them, do you more often find a worka= round to stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool? [yes/n= o]

5. Have you ever tried pcb-rnd? [yes/no]

6. Would you try pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias? [yes/no]

7. Would you consider switching to pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias= ? [yes/no]

8. Approximately how many boards have you done so far with pcb (pcb mainlin= e/branches/forks included, using gschem/gnetlist not required)? "1 boa= rd done" means you had one or more physical copies of the board. [roug= h estimation, positive integer]

9. Approximately how many boards have you done with other packages? [rough = estimation, positive integer]

10. What OS would you prefer to do your pcb layouts on (assuming your favor= ite layout tool is/would be available on it)? [one of: (GNU/)Linux, *BSD, O= SX, windows, other; if you like more, select the one you would spend most t= ime on!]



ANTI-NOISE DISCLAIMER: this mail has nothing to do with:
- gschem/libgeda/gnetlist;
- pcb file format preferences;
- programming languages;
- VCS, development workflow preferences;
- integration vs. toolkit;
- "how broken pcb is";
- "how perfect geda/gaf is".
If you think you've found a part that does have a connection to any of = these topics, please DO NOT reply to that part or make a new thread with a = new subject and move the specific part there.


TIA,

Igor2

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