X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-TCPREMOTEIP: 207.224.51.38 X-Authenticated-UID: jpd AT noqsi DOT com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C1719FFD-04D2-4D6F-960E-F31259529B16"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: gEDA and it's future with Scheme & Guile was Re: [geda-user] Project leadership X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: John Doty In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 01:09:53 -0700 Message-Id: <2625EB2A-56D3-4DEC-8654-081482975D64@noqsi.com> References: <20151229212943 DOT 2d486c8c AT wind DOT levalinux DOT org> <322D36D8-DAB6-4117-B22B-8FF515B00D2B AT noqsi DOT com>

<31E7B3E3-873F-4BA3-ADE7-6A5C48F0578D AT noqsi DOT com> <7A3F27EB-8343-4640-BB6A-24E6AF821768 AT noqsi DOT com> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail=_C1719FFD-04D2-4D6F-960E-F31259529B16 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Dec 30, 2015, at 12:45 AM, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Wed, 30 Dec 2015, John Doty wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On Dec 29, 2015, at 11:01 PM, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015, John Doty wrote: >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Dec 29, 2015, at 10:09 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via = geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 5:02 AM, John Doty wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Dec 29, 2015, at 9:44 PM, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Your current agenda: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> 1. DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN GEDA. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> And yet I have stated that I approve of Vladimir?s plans. So your = understanding is faulty. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Of course they promise no changes to functionality >>>>=20 >>>> If more of the code was in Scheme, scripting would have more = access. We could stop arguing and make personalities for different flows = more easily. If more of gnetlist was in Scheme, I?d have implemented bus = netlisting by now. So yes, we?d get more functionality. >>>=20 >>> Not as long as scripting is limited to scheme. >>=20 >> I said I?d have implemented it. I don?t have a problem with Scheme. >>=20 >>> In theory anyone can learn scheme and use it happily ever after. In = practice this just does not seem to happen. >>=20 >> So, switch to Xorn as your foundation, or convince a Schemer to = implement what you want. >=20 > Xorn is nice, but doesn't solve any of my initial problems. >=20 > Please remember the original problem: I needed a feature in gschem's = GUI. You *wanted* a schematic editor of fundamentally different design from = gschem. > As long as gschem is scriptable in scheme, as long as the only way to = write an optional addon is to do it in scheme, xorn doesn't help with = it. Except that Roland intends Xorn as the foundation for a schematic = editor, too. >=20 >=20 >>>=20 >>> The plugin approach is a good one. I was for it in PCB (I even = requested -rdynamic in the old days to make plugins more generic). I = implemented scirpting for PCB. I do think a lot of user stuff should = happen in scripts. But I don't think restricting the choice of scripting = language to 1 helps. Especially if that 1 is not one of the big = currently-popular ones. >>=20 >> The existing foundation for geda-gaf is based on Scheme. That?s an = old decision that I had nothing to do with. I agree it was perhaps not = the best decision. But I?m perfectly happy to exploit it, as others have = been through the history of the project. >=20 > And others were unhappy. As this thread is partially about repeating = ourselves, I'll repeat myself: scripting in gschem (or anything else) = shouldn't restrict the user to use a single language. No matter what = that language is. Wouldn=92t you be perfectly happy with gschem scripted in Scheme if = there was a different editor for ,sch files scripted in whatever you = would prefer? John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com --Apple-Mail=_C1719FFD-04D2-4D6F-960E-F31259529B16 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWg5FRAAoJEF1Aj/0UKykR1BQP/jV2zRdgsgjZpEPwxu660JkE OqOA2wJ+RmbdlK0NV4qRYcBNor1sjCvfHJkI1GZB4OEuuqywUQ0AQppFXdqc0XDR JW6PqsPOPnvb1QFCFrrg7f53Cgyp9HjJSOVCKmB9en0H6XGpn5UDvNIJFeKDJ4FC 9giJ0tlpqq6tr25/PhGk86Cr/0JuiXuUywm2tFmywcXndBVNIlIxd0Z2keZbXTwM bUQRERnRr4KUj8RCatUZvs3t2kZLf4vjolBlR/6137db10BpPo0SHudzlGq5w322 NiOeIOnaStK3/+nPwwvC+c0PWdVc301KLpsSv6Ar5jora8tXa1NVwg4cext9XG5H jSExmc2AyCXIBOt6qbvlIasefxi2kmMPscajhAMLFNRPN8GZT9H5tHIGrHutH72n F0nGivkTmlimeU68fRf1FM+7EfnS6L0ndajQObpWsWl7tIali3XwN7iSukF2jcv2 tkzwnRWlHKZL9HraVxZpRHtwPOgtumSXZhYcLVYLgziQ1FKRad5R45hh6d0nDSnA IaGK8ZP8Z7z/S6ECQgd0fTiyVR39IYWgapzVrJSw1c77laiqKDopOpZxMeb+rtvi /V5REmXec40NN1xmxmw+2INKFGTEq2RAI8iWFfQW1AsK3u00fFHXvA0y01HP8q6r fcnMglsTpDAHZbfWSdMc =NA4P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_C1719FFD-04D2-4D6F-960E-F31259529B16--