X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-TCPREMOTEIP: 207.224.51.38 X-Authenticated-UID: jpd AT noqsi DOT com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C39C3ED2-23E5-4D5C-9A69-DBF09BCE8F6F"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: gEDA and it's future with Scheme & Guile was Re: [geda-user] Project leadership X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: John Doty In-Reply-To: <20151229212943.2d486c8c@wind.levalinux.org> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:52:19 -0700 Message-Id: <322D36D8-DAB6-4117-B22B-8FF515B00D2B@noqsi.com> References: <20151229212943 DOT 2d486c8c AT wind DOT levalinux DOT org> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail=_C39C3ED2-23E5-4D5C-9A69-DBF09BCE8F6F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Dec 29, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Kovacs Levente (leventelist AT gmail DOT com) [via = geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:43:17 -0500 > "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" = wrote: >=20 >> gEDA is struggling for a lack of development and scheme turns off a >> lot of wood be contributors. We need people who.... >> 1. Don't fight so much. >> 2. Know about EDA software. >> 3. Have time to work on the project. >> 4. Know all the languages involved in the project. >>=20 >> That is a lot to ask. >=20 > Yes. >=20 > gEDA is too conservative - I believe. gEDA states it is 'open'. It is = open > source, but the people are closed, and afraid of new technology. Not at all. But don=92t break old tools: add new ones. > We move on, > or die. You don=92t have to make unwelcome changes to extend the toolkit. That=92s= an advantage of a toolkit. Use it. >=20 > I gave up convincing everyone that we need to change this and that. Why not just write something? A new gnetlist back end or plugin. A new = script to transform schematics. A new Scheme plugin for gschem. *Use* = the power of the foundation rather than try to change it. When you do = that, you don=92t have to convince anybody. >=20 > I'm so tired of all this. I also have 1000 things to do. I also wrote = some > scripts for gEDA, and I fear that I have to throw them away... not = because > the project will evolve into something new, but because, I have to = change the > toolset. That=92s part of my concern also. That=92s a strong reason for stable = foundations. >=20 > However, I think gEDA is still a good idea. A set of tools, = communicating on > well defined interfaces. I still think this is the way to go... but if = we > continue this endless discussions without any direction, we are going = to do it > for ourselves, just for its own sake, which makes no sense. >=20 > Think! >=20 > Levente >=20 John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com --Apple-Mail=_C39C3ED2-23E5-4D5C-9A69-DBF09BCE8F6F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWgvKEAAoJEF1Aj/0UKykR8T4QALGAlta8lutkLHUjxWYD66zI Y9fOkvY0OBnfwm9DOjY8taRcvc5l9753lZ6iEqTIs7TyBLKKG0i67vfBPWNZlchj 3cOIdAKStsP4tC4zsb3ymQORSXzgOAheczQaUmptUYw4gygfhq2A1CmOULNkr8gW OkNpg1f+ONIW5y3MqZYL7OFpz+3Rle+Rb4SMhvRwtyZyO7j2mKGvCFhrvk+NdPUd yMpun79sUMEcIoeA6nS4jpuMlyoFUvCAx+BhlA0l24T9nUDD+ib/rLRemGHYKOXI 0LN9esXxYu4vxFeBbTZ9R1dn3zv7JGKqF0aI+fDbZja/ljC7Z5tyNFaO+KkrqZvk WciIcQn1UOsfnHMcoJEb38z2aZvrJZSV7UuuGZ2tgECwONw1HC2d2leh3NN2vBaR UlJpfxuXPsSX8WUG++DlI0wFz5DhU/3eQpHAbdNAGlid/dR7pzEDdWDejU2aRz8b +wVO09MI+stzgWT6DR2LIfBVjHHC11KyFDW+048rOpp0/NXt9J0mWugjwbgKF6vX Ag53yZ8jVri0ERxqXG7vZx8KQb8uqaZssyBQoux0crKaDQ6cy7351J3wYY5Be/p9 4F1+fkplDxBry2xzqOQwtDkmAP3imEned/xRV+PjJq69kG1foyUPWhK9pVZKTL60 2dhv2OVuzF2Z3O9lJVfg =4Dcx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_C39C3ED2-23E5-4D5C-9A69-DBF09BCE8F6F--