X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6vJKODSxAFfKasUx4m83PSKbGxwrYjVHsxwKouzz5Lw=; b=a+OpLKK7Ogg3aGO7kIoMnWyoeM4Cn2lpiELhanzlMFykapHsl1950/MQJoHbi4C14M 1OXIOqLL16AIzgOSG3U4vFRUD9AydvOYkS0FjxXxVoAMSv3Q903dMYGj/+6s5MduOtL/ 9Av/eO+qXBk0viVUfD2ObsH52Fr7QRwPzLZMtFM/hXzqjoZWUhASM/YSEWMBMRroJKTN sG8fUJlzfW+eVYfKE+tOYbpZdMz4lUeqItzXub/kO0rz9qmoEP5u5OLjIYUKVscfjQhp 2nBi1cUhjO4mfidCzEvMrybS1ax7Udjhj7I01yLwg5RttCH+qPR6+A0GKTnjkp3QMsRb rWVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.131.105 with SMTP id ol9mr9777196lbb.45.1450842763553; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 19:52:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5AC3D5C5-144F-41AE-9562-47BC34D9047F AT noqsi DOT com> <20151222193859 DOT 26898 DOT qmail AT stuge DOT se> <20151222224539 DOT 824d0603398b862d574e1ab4 AT gmail DOT com> <20151222222341 DOT 8107 DOT qmail AT stuge DOT se> <9E19D617-6F76-4D24-8C60-4A4B15BA5952 AT noqsi DOT com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 03:52:43 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] Project leadership From: "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: gEDA users mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id tBN3qmTA024692 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:46 AM, Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 5:25 PM, John Doty wrote: >> >> >> On Dec 22, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via >> geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >> >> As for refusing code because it doesn't fit the vision, gEDA isn't in a >> good position to do this. >> >> Geda-gaf is in an excellent position to do this. It’s mature, effective, >> and flexible. It could be better, but making it better requires discipline >> more than lines of code. It’s *hard* to make good code better: it’s much >> easier to make it worse. > > > But they aren't modifying it with the intention of making it worse, and on > the average there's no real reason to assume the "leader" is going to be a > better judge than the contributor, especially on the issue the contributor > is trying to address. All FOSS works essentially on this principle. If you > don't like it perhaps FOSS isn't for you. >> >> It makes devels quit and there aren't that many to begin with. >> >> On the other hand, pcb suffers from a lack of discipline. I find it an >> unusable conceptual tangle. The problem is not a lack of developers, but the >> lack of a vision. To the user, it’s just a random grab bag of features. > > > But because you don't use it, nobody takes your opinions about it seriously. > Same principle again. I take John's opinions and the opposing view seriously. That said the way people express things here is often not constructive. I feel like all these project management threads are people just kicking each other for not doing what they want or for not whole heartedly embracing their idea(s). > Britton -- Home http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ Work http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/ -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v2 mQENBFYy4RYBCAC183JomLtbdAlcKiaPDoVHq52LDmVmH75aiEc69m7YxDt54/ai VtYCAobbGVIyn3Hlz3uhF6LnPl/6Lm1VdnCfpwu3KQhCO6ds10ow2C30X4ohCqOd hCVg5C+ILmQkEffFrFODy3ji+PYTF4pADvHCWsTMv0hf0llwFOJsBCK6cl02IffE JPqy4PjM1nZ9HpzT84JBaG/4OGvTZ8SQ2yFUl265jagvygPTf88H1xpZHH1r8dB1 stjUHLmPH8AOyDgKxFchgGeDc3p/vJtgDDIXAFfDXG0NSRovLmtaQdGxe47Zf/go bXiEM7YL2WqQe5zfEA919JxkEwlDKYniOSVzABEBAAG0N0V2YW4gRm9zcyAoVGhp cyBpcyBteSBwdWJsaWMga2V5LikgPGV2YW5mb3NzQGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JATkEEwEC ACMFAlYy4RYCGwMHCwkIBwMCAQYVCAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRCIpQTcE8nN bbBaCACAm8pU5lG1ev2Fsw68Axtcl57SJrYieqX96c3YuYH9JpqMqJRnd9nDKw9X tQuvuH7tUk0VbOaDqReOYJVI/4c5wb9AaOFp6K2DUcupq6XhgXpvz3HzoPwjAdIj XuQzdRUx5+innTJrSkGuBYW/CZ2zqEx4xfLlq4rO0hoTUMR8QVp2cCrkw6BT0m86 APIw/ZnjoxM8IEzr7MxfRIg3qpzrZk28rmhx+k78Jyk61UhwcCPGIm/pjUopTwYJ 3YBdRB2cYD2aN7A1JVf5cRmSQYooHBGpH0kYvomGk97PKqypVuJ7OpG9xM58wUcC qUVt9hKlePLzP8csYjt8onqI7qIIuQENBFYy4RYBCADlH8spG3WkCx62vB5mr5Z0 SCDd/RcyA4A5y5EOj5KurQkrSWpgi9Ho1yKruMJ6blQR2qkc66KqH9pnXDm/ZI1M K/wdW3ngETxBmXoozzFMT89aEWIVR5/PFodWK1elekE9iJxACuR98Zg2QttTD3x8 A9w8VEyMLOXcDTrPFpHegMKswFBg5iuMulAdXAoGejWTI3n+qKFpabHm2Lfs6wjk 5rjucpTdeFK6UeWF1xAvNxXibuu5BlGwv53930qIXRwO/Gn2Rh5DXWxKU2fEIme/ xgQQmIsDeUoWbfybdjw/x7Q0LW4mINiLDQcGHHRQKFIxbAJCT3USPLGh5xwE9/Er ABEBAAGJAR8EGAECAAkFAlYy4RYCGwwACgkQiKUE3BPJzW0uYAf9Hf30n8tM3mR2 Zo6ESE0ivgdgjaJtAWrBUx7JzAzPjBnBOlNnu5Y9lVEqetvUPH6e3PvaHYUuaUU8 0HwxuKBW9nUprgV6uIu1DZmlcp+SxpbuCy7RDpNocRLNWWFMaYYzznmTgfnTgD4D gCq8Mf1mcfrluTkOAo+QNqbMfl1GISClopRqxVuAo59ewgMnFujwgd8w12BwWl24 CzqOs5HqcUslePj+LzcjSNgVCklYwKl+0dsb/fctMOCtHodwqm2CBJ+zydvNmYkD fxda/J91Z1xrah5ec++FL0L4vs+jCiIWJeupJFKlr1hCMZiiGH7W554loK5l4jv3 EY347EidAw== =Ta4p -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----