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Subject: Re: [geda-user] gsch2pcb after refdes-renum? (If implemented syncronization detail)
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On Dec 9, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Peter Stuge (peter AT stuge DOT se) [via =
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

> DJ Delorie wrote:
>>> Is there still a problem if the cyclic U1->U2->U3->U1 rename is
>>> guaranteed to be atomic?
>>=20
>> You still have two problems: First, if you accidentally run the =
script
>> twice, you end up with the wrong refdeses.
>=20
> I actually think that's a feature. :) But I agree that it's important
> to be able to tell very easily what has and has not been done.
>=20
>=20
>> Second, you need to remember the refdes the part had *the last time
>> you sync'd*.  If the layout[*] still had U14 because you last sync'd
>> yesterday and you've renamed it five times today, you're out of luck.
>=20
> That's not so bad if the history of these renames is also available.
>=20
>=20
>> This whole identity-across-projects problem is hard, especially when
>> you consider how many ways "refdes as identity" is abused in gnetlist
>> (slots, mcus, heirarchy, whatever).
>=20
> It doesn't seem too hard to me, but it will require keeping new state.
>=20
> A new file format if you will.

It seems you want a completely different tool than gschem. A specialized =
tool with a rigorous, inflexible data model rather than the =93anything =
goes=94 of geda-gaf. Nothing wrong with that, but it would be a =
different thing. I might use it for simple jobs.

> I would use a Git bundle. The data model
> seems to fit the problem very well and libgit2 has comfortable APIs.
> That it also becomes possible to process this format using scriptable
> off-the-shelf tools in a shell is a nice complementary extra. :)
>=20
>=20
> //Peter
>=20

John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
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