X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Vqo2KKxEr+VUOqD1Dr13ER5cKCPLm6jLO1+OjOuagkE=; b=g9dGcj3tYFUUhUziPgc6rgv+vbV4gUFSDPFTxkL6Tz1sC+xpBhyp9Il848EzOpE2UI w2F1pAuTlRpwHbky6CoySM4yNLmnFpjaiQzkM1z2ZI5hcOQTezLeer5MVJnwjYYDlva6 cVSVukEQdndUTH1nfPZFenK590T8mMJPFIYcyOnhf8VT9W4c5C1WPksDHh1Mwlw3Nudo R7PHS68oAF1Jqaj+M6b63V4QcViMZntISq0P1ecOM0indwmh7E7+na7u/n2+J5esvGB3 A7DyhTi/rCXkvGomnUFZ3b4VTuHNaUEPik1jLzw+2MuK+nWgNYLzhMFjO0B3nkcz5ZMW gWGQ== X-Received: by 10.28.109.193 with SMTP id b62mr1055183wmi.58.1445713012354; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 20:56:44 +0200 From: "Nicklas Karlsson (nicklas DOT karlsson17 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] Star shorts Message-Id: <20151024205644.39b5cad134a01926e79f86e5@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <201510220136 DOT t9M1a5Uw015222 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <201510220149 DOT t9M1nrIe016145 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20151022023002 DOT GA25952 AT recycle DOT lbl DOT gov> <201510221643 DOT t9MGhFfg003310 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20151022170259 DOT GA28154 AT recycle DOT lbl DOT gov> <20151024050756 DOT GA5741 AT recycle DOT lbl DOT gov> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0beta1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk > > On to PCB (or any other layout too; John Doty can close his ears for > > this part). AFAICT, there is no established technique to implement > > such a star short in a way that will pass DRC. There needs to be > > copper half-inside the DRC process, that definitely shows up on the > > Gerber output. This copper can't exist during the netlist check > > (optimize rats). > > > > To my feeble brain (it's been a difficult week) it would make sense > > to use a special-purpose layer for this job. The star short component > > would put copper on it. it would show up as part of one layer > > for every step except the rats processor. I guess this extra layer > > could be paired with any copper layer? And you could have star > > grounds (and this layer) for any copper layer? The footprint would > > have to be carefully designed (and maybe depend on the design rules?) > > so that there's no chance of any copper, other than the wires attaching > > to the star, touching the ghost copper that makes the short. > > > > Another option would be to somehow have pcb keep it's nose out of any > connectivity that happens intra-footprint, since that's none of its > business, and make overlapping pads. I was going to propose this, and then > realized that pcb would actually probably consider it a short. So I think > the current behavior (assuming it does complain) is not intuitive. This > could lead to nasty results for broken footprints of course, but broken > (e.g. pin-swapped) footprints are always nasty and there's nothing gEDA can > do to catch that sort of thing. I think pcb design rule check should care about copper regardless of how it have been created because that's what physics like ohms law care about. Nicklas Karlsson