X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-TCPREMOTEIP: 207.224.51.38 X-Authenticated-UID: jpd AT noqsi DOT com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DE11B30D-BA42-43DE-A1C3-96238FDC770C"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: [geda-user] Board DRC X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: John Doty In-Reply-To: <201510221953.t9MJr3Hp013618@envy.delorie.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:31:26 -0600 Message-Id: References: <201510220112 DOT t9M1Ccfq013731 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <201510220136 DOT t9M1a5Uw015222 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <201510220149 DOT t9M1nrIe016145 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20151022023002 DOT GA25952 AT recycle DOT lbl DOT gov> <201510221643 DOT t9MGhFfg003310 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20151022170259 DOT GA28154 AT recycle DOT lbl DOT gov> <20151022213200 DOT c3f45fb3723dbcef555df7b9 AT gmail DOT com> <201510221953 DOT t9MJr3Hp013618 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail=_DE11B30D-BA42-43DE-A1C3-96238FDC770C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:53 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: >=20 >> There should be exactly one short at the star ground point. If >> algorithm calculate their lines meet at the edge end point have to >> checked in some way. >=20 > Or if a particular bit of copper could be tagged as "star point" or > something, the algorithm could know that it should be the edge of > multiple nets, and verify it. >=20 > I'm just thinking, our DRC isn't designed to handle these types of > problems, but a new DRC might, and give us other benefits too. >=20 I spent the morning in a video meeting reviewing a complicated layout = from a geda-gaf->Allegro flow. The issues were far beyond the things = discussed in this (thoroughly mutated) thread. We have segmented = grounds, but not star connections. Star connections only work well if = you can neglect inductive coupling. And then there ware other things: I = was able to say at one point =93Don=92t worry about crosstalk between = signals X and Y: they crosstalk so badly in the sensor that any = conceivable crosstalk on the board will be negligible.=94 So, it=92s complicated. I found myself wishing for a tool that would = show concentrations of AC magnetic field. As far as I know, Allegro = can=92t handle these issues: humans have to pay attention. I don=92t think a tool that works from the top down can ever do this = stuff well. You need a bottom-up model of a circuit board to even start = to think about how to analyze how your layout really works. Pcb has no = such foundation, which is the root of the frustration it causes for a = reductionist like me. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com --Apple-Mail=_DE11B30D-BA42-43DE-A1C3-96238FDC770C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWKUefAAoJEF1Aj/0UKykR9HIQAK+oMU6wjw4Xwntc1rO0oxIq HPCEM6J0+a7k9wE3riX14/6ESL86WGGK6NtBGlFaIHX9Sfkln6YqLXAQqiLeQhnE 2MtzD/NMMdGPpAKtV9Wh1h8vNJJvtM05wxBwuIj7j3ZApvJt6+Xgvpo2TSfJTz3L bHDdPFCmG9lh39gLAvnqA0c+RqOgIOrc/Zn6OSTAlmfKHUd/KCHMuYfGAyJ1YQ1+ bxN+8BLBHUQxP/dnLBcpDB8EEtGPiAfZ6MJ6IlQnYnznWTNaVrr1a589xa3E+5ym b9ty0Az9c9vwtKEDQjorpv4P3+vx374fWUu2QaRD8BFizLAL7Z70RJVn2yfK9g2j agl5++jbe6mOH6iAvq0Ilq5t0OiI1QEWmZZFp1W7SGNE5zVYeOJGPl3PCjyf8Lbd voD0TjxC9RSzG8psbvjR3yf/NTqrJfq5So24wyZLQSVvf8QgqR2g1qX7Pml9ZXBe bqbwJCZCdUIqwoYqBE5zJUCBtl1MY8t6si3xWfQkpLf6EcTL7cQRm5U3EbQ/iPAg shfX+uCqpMYa7Q+blX/DnHFt8Le7UnYhKOfJjbBBGfhB+e0gmFSLp2eqGHkuaoaL bSP7gf10MHj3Rxmtr5/mcQ+wS6FlELUNbh8BJw32LvUDcIvcYl+aUhcJGfeJNlo7 sVioOXLI9oR3EWehmw75 =LXlZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_DE11B30D-BA42-43DE-A1C3-96238FDC770C--