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On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 5:41 PM, John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> wrote:

>
> On Oct 19, 2015, at 5:40 PM, DJ Delorie <dj AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
> >
> >>> My sample schematic would have U1-1 and U1-1.
> >>
> >> So you don't really have a refdes to start from: it doesn't identify
> >> the component.
> >
> > Wordplay.  It has a refdes.  It's not unique.  We do this all the time
> > for slotted and multi-sym parts.
> >
> > And that reference was to show how easy it is for a user to
> > instantiate symbols that don't have a unique identity, a problem you
> > still haven't addressed.
>
> It=E2=80=99s easy to do all kinds of dysfunctional things with a power to=
ol. To
> reliably prevent dysfunction, you have to take away the power.
>

You sound like a surgeon resisting a checklist.  "Sure I sometimes take out
the wrong kidney, BFD I'm smart I don't need that".  Power tools shouldn't
gratuitously force you to remember things a competent tool can easily
remember for you.  If refdes aren't gonna be unique then some other thing
should exist  that makes obviously distinct symbols unique.  I don't
remember what ugly thing gEDA did to me with duplicate refdes but I
remember it being bad enough I immediately added machinery to my setup so
it couldn't happen again.  Perhaps the sane behavior should be the default,
and "power users" that want something else can disable it.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 5:41 PM, John Doty <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:jpd AT noqsi DOT com" target=3D"_blank">jpd AT noqsi DOT com</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D""><br>
On Oct 19, 2015, at 5:40 PM, DJ Delorie &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dj AT delorie DOT co=
m">dj AT delorie DOT com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; My sample schematic would have U1-1 and U1-1.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; So you don&#39;t really have a refdes to start from: it doesn&#39;=
t identify<br>
&gt;&gt; the component.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Wordplay.=C2=A0 It has a refdes.=C2=A0 It&#39;s not unique.=C2=A0 We d=
o this all the time<br>
&gt; for slotted and multi-sym parts.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; And that reference was to show how easy it is for a user to<br>
&gt; instantiate symbols that don&#39;t have a unique identity, a problem y=
ou<br>
&gt; still haven&#39;t addressed.<br>
<br>
</span>It=E2=80=99s easy to do all kinds of dysfunctional things with a pow=
er tool. To reliably prevent dysfunction, you have to take away the power.<=
br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style=3D"">You sound like a surgeon res=
isting a checklist. =C2=A0&quot;Sure I sometimes take out the wrong kidney,=
 BFD I&#39;m smart I don&#39;t need that&quot;.=C2=A0 Power tools shouldn&#=
39;t gratuitously force you to remember things a competent tool can easily =
remember for you.=C2=A0 If refdes aren&#39;t gonna be unique then some othe=
r thing should exist =C2=A0that makes obviously distinct symbols unique.=C2=
=A0 I don&#39;t remember what ugly thing gEDA did to me with duplicate refd=
es but I remember it being bad enough I immediately added machinery to my s=
etup so it couldn&#39;t happen again.=C2=A0 Perhaps the sane behavior shoul=
d be the default, and &quot;power users&quot; that want something else can =
disable it.</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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