X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-TCPREMOTEIP: 207.224.51.38 X-Authenticated-UID: jpd AT noqsi DOT com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FABC8C7D-1ACC-4D72-9CD5-873293ACC47D"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: [geda-user] Pin mapping (separate symbols from mappings) X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: John Doty In-Reply-To: <201510191858.t9JIwMIB029296@envy.delorie.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:30:21 -0600 Message-Id: <8EAEFD56-9005-4AF8-B298-77983D29B4C0@noqsi.com> References: <20151018204010 DOT 9cce6a231dcc296256e187bd AT gmail DOT com> <201510181843 DOT t9IIhmWo025346 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20151018234424 DOT c0551dad9bef0859130239d9 AT gmail DOT com> <36B94694-F2AC-4A75-A8EB-40A1CE9A534C AT noqsi DOT com> <201510182225 DOT t9IMPkxK032763 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20151019003814 DOT f62620bf0fec77e65104c105 AT gmail DOT com> <201510190242 DOT t9J2gl7w009345 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <282EF9EF-E103-4101-BB56-A0A365AFFEBE AT noqsi DOT com> <201510190408 DOT t9J48ZbC015157 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <201510190502 DOT t9J528LM019325 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <58E58C85-9493-47DD-AC5B-AD78C33A712A AT noqsi DOT com> <201510191640 DOT t9JGeWb0024375 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <4AC7F055-0A26-4DD8-B8F9-8D67F7E36B0A AT noqsi DOT com> <201510191722 DOT t9JHMi7G025782 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <201510191858 DOT t9JIwMIB029296 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail=_FABC8C7D-1ACC-4D72-9CD5-873293ACC47D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Oct 19, 2015, at 12:58 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: >=20 >> Well, I think that's a logical requirement, not a mere desire. >=20 > I'm glad you agree with yourself. We're back to my original > supposition, that *if* it's required, *one* of the options is a UUID. >=20 >>> No, (3) only requires a UUID be assigned to each symbol as it's = instantiated. >>=20 >> Until you realize that users make copies of things using multiple >> methods, and the intent of the copy may be to move the circuitry or >> to duplicate it. Then, it still requires clairvoyance. >=20 > We've discussed this in the past, and generally agree that "path to > object in design" needs to be part of the uniqueness, in order to > differentiate between one symbol showing up in multiple places in a > heirarchy. This plus "unique on page" (as long as the key to > uniqueness doesn't change over time) is probably sufficient to > uniquely correlate an instance in to one symbol in the > project. You forget that one way to make a variant page is =93cp page1.sch = page2.sch; gschem page2.sch=94. Gschem can=92t know that you=92ve done = this, but it is a useful technique when you have repetition with = variation. Another interesting case is where you copy/paste to a = different page. These are only the cases I can think of right now. Once you=92re enumerating use cases, trying to come up with a solution = to each one, you=92re not thinking flexibility anymore. > But we also generally agreed that a heirarchical schematic > would need to be flattened to produce an as-built anyway, which limits > that problem somewhat. >=20 John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com --Apple-Mail=_FABC8C7D-1ACC-4D72-9CD5-873293ACC47D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWJUTNAAoJEF1Aj/0UKykR7+UP/jq9CygfMJIFiFdyzoKAifsR nwiT5Y7fs27sXnHtT5rH84oLlRAvUwaRw+okwRJY85gNQq+7xd3gZaVXE7BhgsJ6 AjKa0VajvwlGsqDQmk2VCckSdfhtOCcc5hYSoRXV9jXcDxjqLdsRRu6xulaOwRRZ kRGlLCA/rRpyXeC5B6V9RRz2JKqXQbm8BvhVhQsPfmb/0/jnNuqZu6sYoE1zpJ2u N/bAtpGjGikEaL0haJvNUmbAlhz3MEfpaRXOdjG6n8wvRMJOGuyP9zla+LdkPiVQ z55piryZilOi6kOXOsFskzil+Rfv4+QXf5lVq7Ql6bzlUBtxGJrS6CGYaog9k0wK l1EFHvdcqnJspFCS7wvLo/UAZGJw/dyGz5pGlztyyRCPhj9tvUjkxKOER5miX0/I Kug7VfIN9tRN5jrtiz1VwBaIJJTgM9RvCDN72GRp6+esEdHJFvEEAMu0/iM4WrGe lo4BeIajXJPIYLUIPqKZvDI3DeibL5X1RTplotEic4LaP56xxSaEhf8ZTgO34J/c Z6DXqj0bOqeVMWCkaK7V+6Eo8eMfiSLu1YHswW7jXrc62uzGVcprMdYQfgfZZ03T MrATldjEMLUoJoakErgIvm5WlXHr6YoozIMqnLwHi1hNf+sLYuxA0gFz9hWQFNyK WBB5R8sNTBRfH3eBRbtp =8e2q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_FABC8C7D-1ACC-4D72-9CD5-873293ACC47D--