X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WObJJe8kH2VOnWUS9SgDgdvfPEfTfdf6PqGfmBwEDVA=; b=g7y04ht5eJyv9K/KEwNITYpkSpkEbrYjc7hrX5gs2oaKZncMt0qoFduMFRXsXoSwth eK7FvUU9ZmBq4F+Sd0/OxzzlnZToWwRI8xOW9U9bd119tg+v9zb09sOFi7y+yjt31LEu VwflacBI6Lb/4TmpZCqRXxYzNa5e7DOdOxUShO85Wl2jHUHH1/GZdZEhPai+QffCIEYK XR8bXjsCb38hwzcJGjzIvyQN9F9kcTPfDHRFdiaMgqwz8N3WAwIH866SdetN8KB75kBS 126Sr1Np39fUXZh6DSHBBkmzOaN8oS+DtTMbt1zTsUbOYmYv5xXO1sMRPOcHSuucgQpJ c1jQ== X-Received: by 10.180.90.37 with SMTP id bt5mr6446135wib.7.1445021133401; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 11:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:45:28 +0200 From: "Nicklas Karlsson (nicklas DOT karlsson17 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] Is someone working on a PCB autoplacer? Message-Id: <20151016204528.da1f5321d54296c25fb17710@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1445006837.2017.17.camel@ssalewski.de> References: <1445006837 DOT 2017 DOT 17 DOT camel AT ssalewski DOT de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0beta1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:47:17 +0200 Stefan Salewski wrote: > Maybe I missed that, but there was so much traffic on this list in the > last months that I was able to read only a very small fraction. > > An autoplacer has the advantage, that it may be useful also for people > who wants to do manual routing. And for autorouting it is an important > component. Another point is, that even a bad autoplacer is useful for > initial part distribution, so all the arguments people have against > autorouter are not valid for autoplacers. And development may still be > some fun. For an autoplacer some support by schematics tool would be > really useful, for example grouping of elements: An OpAmp with its two > resistors and two bypass capacitors should build a group, indicating > that these components belongs together. This is important for the bypass > capacitors, because their pins both belong to very large nets, gnd and > power, so location is not determined by net. For signal paths, nets > should include generally only two or very few pins/pads, so that placer > can use that information to place components at the correct initial > position. Another point is, that it would be useful when footprint files > would contain a bounding box for occupied area -- pads, pins and silk > may be used for that, but exact box may be better, maybe not only a > rectangular box, but a polygon or circle. > Even though an exact box is better sometimes I guess the default is good enough for most cases.