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On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Stefan Salewski <mail AT ssalewski DOT de> wrote:

> On Wed, 2015-10-07 at 22:00 +0300, Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com)
> [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
> > Ugly for example is, that menu still offers actions
> > > which are not available in current state.
> > Could you name them?
>
> There are many for gschem 1.9.1. For example select a line. Then in Edit
> Menu menu item Edit... in not greyed out to show that it is not
> available. I have often selected that thinking that I can change width
> or other properties. There is much more of this. I know that it not easy
> to avoid such behaviour, and for power users it is not a big problem,
> they know that. For people who do use it maybe once per year it is not
> that nice. But the most important point: It shows that there is no love
> and care in gschem development. For a tool that is nearly 20 years old,
> and where many people spent thousands of hours in development, there is
> no really excuse for that. And when you say patches welcome: For such
> points, which are really easy to fix for current active developers, I am
> not willing to provide patches. Maybe I even would, if I could be
> absolutely sure that the patch really made it into the program. But I
> can not be sure.
>

I think now you can be sure patches would get in.  But I understand that
you don't enjoy making patches inefficiently.  Please please can we sort
out the BTS situation ASAP so there's a place for this sort of thing to go?

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Stefan Salewski <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:mail AT ssalewski DOT de" target=3D"_blank">mail AT ssalewski DOT de</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Wed, 2015-10-07 at =
22:00 +0300, Vladimir Zhbanov (<a href=3D"mailto:vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com">vzhban=
ov AT gmail DOT com</a>)<br>
[via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] wr=
ote:<br>
&gt; Ugly for example is, that menu still offers actions<br>
&gt; &gt; which are not available in current state.<br>
&gt; Could you name them?<br>
<br>
There are many for gschem 1.9.1. For example select a line. Then in Edit<br=
>
Menu menu item Edit... in not greyed out to show that it is not<br>
available. I have often selected that thinking that I can change width<br>
or other properties. There is much more of this. I know that it not easy<br=
>
to avoid such behaviour, and for power users it is not a big problem,<br>
they know that. For people who do use it maybe once per year it is not<br>
that nice. But the most important point: It shows that there is no love<br>
and care in gschem development. For a tool that is nearly 20 years old,<br>
and where many people spent thousands of hours in development, there is<br>
no really excuse for that. And when you say patches welcome: For such<br>
points, which are really easy to fix for current active developers, I am<br=
>
not willing to provide patches. Maybe I even would, if I could be<br>
absolutely sure that the patch really made it into the program. But I<br>
can not be sure.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style=3D"">I think now=
 you can be sure patches would get in.=C2=A0 But I understand that you don&=
#39;t enjoy making patches inefficiently.=C2=A0 Please please can we sort o=
ut the BTS situation ASAP so there&#39;s a place for this sort of thing to =
go?</div><div>=C2=A0</div></div></div></div>

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