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On Wed, 7 Oct 2015, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:

> gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote:
>
>>> If you prefer bugs fixed not only using a different bug tracker, but in
>>> an entire code fork, please join Igor2, Peter Clifton, Stefan Salewski,
>>> ... oh, wait, all these people don't want to join anybody. Too bad.
>>
>> That is a lie.
>
> Can we agree to calm the tone down a little bit, please?

I would like to. But a lie is a lie, I can't help it. You would respond 
too, if I said things like "Kai-Martin wants the windows port of gschem 
die". If I did such false statements repeatedly, wouldn't you start 
calling them lies?

>
>> I love to work in team and I'm open to join teams. When I have a project
>> set up I am open to anyone joining it. I did not attempt join the
>> official geda team because I felt like they were doing things in the
>> wrong way.
>
> Well, seen from a distance, this is just what Markus wrote. You did not
> feel like joining the "official geda team". You sure have your reasons.
> And you surely are not alone. There is no need to feel insulted.

Nope, he literally wrote: "don't want to join anybody"

Please read again; it's not "don't want to join the geda team".

>
>
>> I still think both the management and a lot of coding aspects
>> are going in the wrong way. It's my personal opinion. I don't want to
>> change their ways,
>
> There is an alternative consequence: Namely the desire to actually change
> the way the project is run. IMHO, both positions have their merits. Let's
> not call out each other on this.

I did not. He had a claim what my opinion/intentionsare  which I confuted 
with describing my actual opinion/intentions. He answered by repeating his 
claim.

>
>
>> but I don't want the better way not to happen, so I
>> made a _proper_ fork.
>
> While you technically forked the code. You still did not go all the way.
> That would have included complete separation of website, communication

I do have a completly separate website. I did publish the URL.

> channels and mailing list, wiki, library-site, and whatnot. Instead, you

Until there are enough users, there's no need to set up a mailing list.

I don't have a wiki, not because I'm using geda's wiki but because I don't 
feel the need to have a wiki for the project at all.

I do have a separate library. It does have a website too. I did publish 
the URL.

> still mess with the rest of us here in regular geda-user.

I do not mess with anyone. Since pcb-rnd is compatible with pcb, I 
regard it as a relative of the geda effort and I think the geda-user list 
is appropriate place to discuss it. Precendents show this sort of things 
are happening all the time on the list, there are a lot of tools that are 
not officially part of the geda suite but they are so closely related that 
people just use this list to discuss them.

>
> This sends ambiguous messages. But it is totally ok, too. Just accept that

Ambiguous message like what? I tried to make my intentions clear, if you 
still have doubts, feel free to ask.

> not everybody may cheer for your way. And after all, there are vastly more
> than one way to do things. No need to get emotional about.

I do accept that. I don't accept when someone is misrepresenting my 
opinion/words. I do not get emotional about it, but I do respond and tell 
my actual opinion.

>
>
>> About my project not open to other people joining:
>
> Hmm. I did not see anyone say anything about this direction.

Again, he said "all these people don't want to join anybody". I take 
joining is bidiretional: I join an existing group or if I am already in a 
group, others may join. If I didn't want to join anybody, I would have 
closed down my group so noone could join it (== I didn't need to join 
them in the same group). I just wanted to make it clear that I am open in 
both directions and to make sure there's no room for misinterpreting my 
intention about joining in any direction.

Regards,

Igor2