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On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Markus Hitter (mah AT jump-ing DOT de) [via
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

> Am 22.09.2015 um 18:10 schrieb Roland Lutz:
> > there are basically two options: merge everything, or decline
> > everything.  I'm not a fan of either.
>
> Only the "accept everything" of these two allows natural selection: may
> the better one win. Disk space isn't an issue these days, so there's no
> problem to have five tools doing the same, as long as lazy people
> (newbies!) get their job done.
>
> > Until now, I don't
> > know of a single person who actually tried the Xorn netlister, and only
> > of one person who looked at the code.  If you ask me, that's the core
> > problem with gEDA development right now.
>
> That's not a gEDA problem, that's a general problem. People currently
> have an extremely strong tendency to rewrite everything from scratch
> instead of looking at and improving what's already there. As you did
> yourself.
>
> With everybody trying to rewrite from scratch, who's left to review all
> this written code? Right: nobody. The only chance to get Xorn reception
> is to enhance the experience of users. Like fewer clicks for newbie-type
> users, like more options for experts, like solving problems which were
> unresolvable before. Seen in this light, Xorn is only 50% finished so far.
>

People aren't going to try scripting interfaces and the like until the next
time they need them.  Months or years for many users in other words.
Interactive features may get tried right away.  Given the number of people
on this list it may be a while before you hear reports from the trenches on
stuff like xorn.

Britton

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Markus Hitter (<a href=3D"mailto:mah AT j=
ump-ing.de">mah AT jump-ing DOT de</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT c=
om">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:geda=
-user AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">Am 22.09.2015 um 1=
8:10 schrieb Roland Lutz:<br>
&gt; there are basically two options: merge everything, or decline<br>
&gt; everything.=C2=A0 I&#39;m not a fan of either.<br>
<br>
</span>Only the &quot;accept everything&quot; of these two allows natural s=
election: may<br>
the better one win. Disk space isn&#39;t an issue these days, so there&#39;=
s no<br>
problem to have five tools doing the same, as long as lazy people<br>
(newbies!) get their job done.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; Until now, I don&#39;t<br>
&gt; know of a single person who actually tried the Xorn netlister, and onl=
y<br>
&gt; of one person who looked at the code.=C2=A0 If you ask me, that&#39;s =
the core<br>
&gt; problem with gEDA development right now.<br>
<br>
</span>That&#39;s not a gEDA problem, that&#39;s a general problem. People =
currently<br>
have an extremely strong tendency to rewrite everything from scratch<br>
instead of looking at and improving what&#39;s already there. As you did<br=
>
yourself.<br>
<br>
With everybody trying to rewrite from scratch, who&#39;s left to review all=
<br>
this written code? Right: nobody. The only chance to get Xorn reception<br>
is to enhance the experience of users. Like fewer clicks for newbie-type<br=
>
users, like more options for experts, like solving problems which were<br>
unresolvable before. Seen in this light, Xorn is only 50% finished so far.<=
br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style=3D"">People aren&#39;t going to t=
ry scripting interfaces and the like until the next time they need them.=C2=
=A0 Months or years for many users in other words.</div><div style=3D"">Int=
eractive features may get tried right away.=C2=A0 Given the number of peopl=
e on this list it may be a while before you hear reports from the trenches =
on stuff like xorn.</div><div style=3D""><br></div><div style=3D"">Britton<=
/div><div>=C2=A0</div></div></div></div>

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