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I'm talking about PCB only.

What you do is you fire up your editor and make changes to the pcb file.
With the new file format, you have to fire up the sqlitebrowser tool.

SQL speed is fast. Parsing a text file and converting all the data to
binary is slow. Please note that this is a self contained,
configuration-less single file database.

Lev

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Vaclav Peroutka (vaclavpe AT seznam DOT cz) [via
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

> Hi Lev,
>
> I might not clearly see the advantages of the new format now. What I miss
> is the text form of the new format.
>
> What I do is to open SCH or PCB in text editor and make changes manually
> (for example exact positions of components in PCB, moving of particular
> tracks, etc.). And with the new format, I am loosing this possibility. So
> if it will be possible, I will use the actual file format.
>
> Have you thought about extension of current file formats ?
>
> What about SQL speed ? Is it much slower to open/save schematic or pcb ?
> What about component attributes ? You will have some generic text fields
> and another parser ?
>
> My 0.05$ - my opinion is that get rid of guile and other obscure packages
> is more crucial than changing file formats (which I personally like and am
> accustomed to them).
>
>
>
> It has been a very busy week for me. My house is under renovation, and
> there will be power cuts, so I can't really access my computer in the
> next coming weeks. I can access emails though, but I don't really like
> Google's interface.
>
> I've noticed that the other apollon thread is still alive, although it
> is hijacked. I start a new thread.
>
> What I was able to do on the new data structure is this:
>
> 1. Get rid of the fixed layer format.
>
> The layer data structure is now cut into two tables. One for the layer, and
> the other is a layer type.
>
> 2. Angular definition is now in micro degrees.
>
>
> Regards,
> Lev
>
> --
> 73 de HA5OGL
> Op.: Levente
>
>

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an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blan=
k">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
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degrees.<br><br><br>Regards,<br>Lev<br><br>-- <br>73 de HA5OGL<br>Op.:=20
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