X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pLsxDVOcBqwtHmNpnKxrGlQTZKW2nbIUiEDp4Ps+7f0=; b=oCk+6QiwZPJN6c0K/dCyaC06BK08vTTjzpvdy38pGrij+e1EZ5SuKcoKwpHwYOBcu3 mySF/bFRrlOCJJS5eV3BqDo/Gd/HL0LYCBD66WSdwDjSq33/dbDK2e2LGtiPW5QI2x5K 8cta2FdHxwh1MNgRwba5sZBzOXEsLCK5H6TopPJhikYbveuBOEo9gKUFr6xN0bcUVR7C 3mt+H/ci1txAXPPGuAqetfsHgkYGZIqxrjlMXQcAk8MHqCeB7lAaLdxIllhEkwfKbjGx 06sb1+WqKAriqHrjh4O2T8exXYYh+v60452Mgo4hr0UYRU25OfU73wqKJDNPd3f1cUvf bDEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.22.73 with SMTP id b9mr32611035laf.83.1442448062272; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:01:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 00:01:02 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Geda-developers] PLEASE STOP !!! - Re: [geda-user] Apollon From: "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: gEDA users mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id t8H016AQ017459 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda- > user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > >> I understand that you have contributed meaningfully to this project but >> we need a team to be blessed by the powers that be. > > In my very humble opinion, we need a working team in the first place. The > keyword here is "working" as opposed to let patches bit rot, not decide > weather or not a feature branch should get merged or abandoned, or not the > least, procrastinate releases and have no road map with goals for future > development whatsoever. Everything else should come second. > (Sorry for the harsh words. But realistically, the above characterizes the > progress of the geda project since about 2008 for the most part. Yes, > there were significant improvements in some areas and I am glad about it. > Else, I would have switched away since long. But seen from a distance the > progress looks glacially -- in particular when compared to projects like > freecad or kicad) "Harsh words" no honest. You are right. I tried to find out what objectives were needed in one thread and then set out to do it and got pushback from someone I knew to be a more serious developer who was pushing scheme on me. It became a problem, I felt like other developers would back me up but it was not the time to be creating conflict. I was going to make a C plugin interface in libgeda (and etc) to work in parallel to scheme. Igor2 was going to implement back notation (I won't say annotation for the reasons John Doty and I have hashed out). I got mired in political nonsense and gave up deciding to work with Igor2 and on other projects. I hope that after we have leaders I can revisit the projects people were calling for and some of Igor2's code can be merged. Making a new stable release should come first. >> The blessing legitimizes the team. > > Kings and popes need to be blessed... I believe in neither but that is beside the point. >> With out a legitimate team the project will devolve back into people >> fighting on an email list > > Sorry, but I have not seen developers seriously fighting on geda-user ever > since I started reading it in 2005/2006. The list geda-devel while it was > readable for mortal users was even more peaceful. We are of different opinion on what constitutes a fight then. >> and even if code is written no release could ever be issued. gEDA will >> be known as that project with a million forks, > > Being motivated and capable to contribute but locked out by the powers > that be constitutes a strong motivation to fork. This is more than pure > speculation. Remember, why Igor started his pcb-rnd? I know I was a minor participant in that fork. We have talked a lot about this because I really like working with him. The guy is a better programmer than me. Back in the older days he tried to add functionality to PCB but it was in the middle of a proposed (and ultimately mostly unexecuted) initiative among some or all (unsure) developers of PCB to rewrite it in a more object oriented style. He was asked to rewrite his patches more than a few times for reasons that looked more aesthetic than hygienic. He also got a lot of criticism for how quickly his code was written. He got fed up and went off to create PCB-RND. I already explained how he ended up creating his fork of geda earlier in this email. > ---<)kaimartin(>--- > -- > Kai-Martin Knaak tel: +49-511-762-2895 > Universität Hannover, Inst. für Quantenoptik fax: +49-511-762-2211 > Welfengarten 1, 30167 Hannover http://www.iqo.uni-hannover.de > GPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=Knaak+kmk&op=get > > > -- Home http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ Work http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/