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Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via 
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:

>> 2. Not everyone who should be is on the developers list is because
>> some folks wanted to play gate keeper. This killed off trolling and
> Please tell me privately whom you want to see on the developer list.

Decision making in private, i.e with no communication to the general 
public, was the way to run all things geda since at least 2009. It seems  
plausible, that this contributed to drive the project into the sad state 
which it currently is. Make people feel not involved and they tend to walk 
away where they feel more welcome.
Note, I am not lobbying to hold general votes. The keyword above is 
communication. 


> I could not say about other developers, but my feel is I'd now more
> appreciate one patch rather than hundreds of "great ideas of how to
> develop further" in the list.

There is a tradition to let patches bit rot on launchpad. New ideas get 
relegated to "plugins"  "feature-branches"  
Back in 2009 when I was motivated to get involved in geda coding, I had to 
ask several times with weeks or months in between on the list to read "no 
time" and finally "don't like". 


> Some of ideas are great, however they're
> lost in the flood we have on the list.

Ideas need to be tossed and turned and seen from different angles before 
they are warranted the effort to get them into code. What turns out to be 
great or not so much can only be known with hindsight. There is no way to 
properly triage ideas in advance.
BTW, I for one am very happy that this list got active after a much too 
long lull.


> Launchpad is more convenient to
> have all productive thoughts more ordered.

Launchpad bug discussions lack some key properties to provide a general 
discussion infra structure. Most glaringly, there is no proper way to have 
several 

 
>> 4. Yes after an objective is set it should be migrated over to the
>> developers list but I have avoided this because I think a lot of
>> people there want to be left alone.
> See the previous comment.

Moving topics to a closed list puts those off, who are outside the gates. 
This may be acceptable in a situation where crowd are eager to join. 
However, with geda the opposite is true. The project desperately needs 
contributors.

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