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Am 14.09.2015 um 21:10 schrieb Vladimir Zhbanov:
>> This is work in progress. LP admins are apparently mortal, too, because
>> > none of them shows a sign of life.
> Markus, please, stop this :)

Why whould I? I'm active not only on this list, I'm also on IRC and
write people personally.

I wrote Peter TB Brett, the person listed as "owner" of the gEDA
Launchpad team. I had to grab his email address from Git, because he
decided to hide it on LP. I asked on IRC about the LP team. He decided
to not answer. Or he didn't recognize it on any of the channels. From my
perspective he's inactive, gone, disappeared, choose your favourite term.

> Admins are apparently mortals (their list you can find at
> https://launchpad.net/~geda-admins/+members#active), and they cannot
> read all this flow of posts as quickly as you write them.

This hide and seek game most of the older admins orchestrate has to
stop. With this attitude they managed to grind gEDA development to an
almost halt. None of them is forced to put work in, but if they decide
to stay away it's most important they don't take the keys with them.
Easiest ways to ensure this: hand out a lot of keys or remove the door
lock entirely.

> You know, for sure, the name of the admin responsible for pcb :)

The idea that some single person is "responsible" for community work is
a wrong idea. Every single person of a community is. Some of these
community persons keep the place nice, comfortable and, most important
of all, open.

> Probably, DJ could help you, too.

I asked DJ and he says he has no business with Launchpad.

> Therefore, Bert and Marcus, please just tell me what you want to do,
> I've just not read the discussion yet. For now, I've configured
> blueprints for pcb to be managed by launchpad.

Very nice :-) One person alive :-) Thank you.

Off the top of my head there are two more things:

- There's a backlog of 5 people waiting for approval:

  https://launchpad.net/~geda-admins/+members

  Neither approving nor declining them for several years(!) is certainly
  not the way to grow and strengthen a community.

- One of them is Eugene Mikhantiev. A week ago I asked Eugene wether he
  wants to move his PPA to the gEDA Administrators team to catch several
  birds with one stone:

   - gEDA would have an official PPA, then, always delivering the latest
     builds. Excellent for the "Downloads" web page.

   - gEDA would have an active admin on Launchpad. OK, counting your
     appearance, he'd be the second active LP admin, then.

   - We had another developer and collaborator.

  Believe it or not, he agreed! You see? It's sometimes as simple as
  writing people a nice email to bring them in. I used his PPA and it
  works flawlessly, excellent contribution!


Cheers,
Markus


P.S.: I'll calm down now. :-) Thanks for your efforts, Vladimir.

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