X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 16:58:55 +0200 From: "Stephen R. van den Berg (srb AT cuci DOT nl) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] 5630 LED footprint Message-ID: <20150914145855.GD6914@cuci.nl> References: <20150910201416 DOT GG16766 AT fi DOT muni DOT cz> <20150910234211 DOT e718beb2aa1655d22382c8a6 AT gmail DOT com> <201509102207 DOT t8AM7GOh013740 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20150914131629 DOT GB6914 AT cuci DOT nl> <4D7DCB5F-5703-4EAB-ADFD-84D7E8A87764 AT noqsi DOT com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D7DCB5F-5703-4EAB-ADFD-84D7E8A87764@noqsi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk John Doty wrote: >> The reason why it's called a black-body radiation is not because >> it radiates better when black. No, they call it that because a black >> body does not reflect anything *extra* besides the radiation it already >> emanetes. >Not true. Emission and absorption are determined by the same function of wavelength, > commonly called ???emissivity???. The higher the emissivity, the darker the material > will appear at the given wavelength. If you had a material for which this was not > true, you could construct a machine that would violate the second law of thermodynamics. It's not entirely clear to me here if we disagree here. I'll reparse your words later when I have more time. >> But, to summarise, it will only help reflecting incoming radiation, >> it will not matter one iota for primary heat radiation. >Not true. Polymers generally have higher emissivity in the infrared than shiny metal. > We exploit this in spacecraft design by covering surfaces we want to keep cold with > ???silver teflon??? tape. The outer teflon layer is highly emissive in the thermal > infrared, but transparent to most of the incoming solar radiation. The silver > backing has very low emissivity, so it reflects the incoming radiation. >In space engineering, we sometimes capture this effect by defining an average emissivity, >??, over thermal infrared wavelengths, and and average emissivity, ??, over the > solar spectrum. We call ?? ???absorptivity??? to distinguish it from ??, > but the real distinction is just the wavelength range, not the physics. >When you???re not operating in a vacuum, coating the bare metal with a polymer will > very likely improve radiative cooling. It is, however, an additional thermal > resistance between the metal and the air, so it will impair conductive and convective > cooling. Detailed calculation and measurement is the only way to resolve this. I concede here, I guess my textbook knowledge here falls short with respect to modern material knowledge. -- Stephen.