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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 08:10:33 +0200 (CEST)
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<html><body><blockquote><div><div><div><div><div style=3D"">There's no dyn=
amics modeling going on here, we're talking about interactive movements of=
 parts.&nbsp; So there's no error buildup and using rationals seems to add=
ress a non-problem.&nbsp; If its disturbing to have 60 become 59.9999 afte=
r two rotations put angles in bins fine enough to represent what you need.=
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ent rotations, use angular bins small enough to discriminate between adjac=
ent cells at the far corner of your board. &nbsp;1 1m board with um grid n=
eeds maybe 10M angular bins to make a slam dunk, not so many really &nbsp;=
</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><p><br></p><p>How does it corre=
spond to geda users ? I would understand that this kind of info is needed =
for developers. But from user's point of view ? Users want to download sof=
tware and just use it. Users want to notice bugfixes. Users want to see ne=
w features to increase their productivity.</p><p><br></p><p>I am user of g=
eda (scm, pcb) more than 10 years. I did first experiments in year 2003. A=
nd what is the current situation ? Recently somebody wrote that Kicad stil=
l evolves, there are new releases.&nbsp; It seems to me that geda develope=
rs talk what to do but nothing new is being developed. I tried to contribu=
te the way I was able to. I filled in several bug reports. One year is gon=
e but nothing happened. But I receive 100 emails from geda-user mailing li=
st every day. 90 emails are various flame wars.</p><p><br></p><p>I do not =
know how many real users are here. But for all PLEASE - stop flamewars in =
this list. Let somebody create geda-thrashcan list. Or some similar. If yo=
u want to talk about how to implement features, about how to rewrite the g=
eda core - please move to geda-devel list.</p><p><br></p><p>If you want to=
 fix bugs (unfortunately I am not able to. I even have not succeeded to co=
mpile geda for Windows...), please DO IT. If you want to implement functio=
nality which increases productivity of at least something (improve moving =
of components, etc.) please DO IT. I will be the first person who will tha=
nk you.</p><p><br></p><p>I have not used Kicad. But I used Orcad 16.5 and =
Zuken cr5000. I am sure that there are several features and functionality =
that can be added to geda (routing of high frequency pairs, measurement of=
 track length, routing of busses, ... ).</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><blockqu=
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