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On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 6:23 PM, DJ Delorie <dj AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
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>> And then, you bemoan the fact that you can't attract new users. And
>> you blame the messenger.
>
> I bemoan the fact that I can't attract new users because they come to
> these forums and see the hostility developers get from users and
> non-users.  They see how the developers don't want to devote their
> precious time to a project where each change is critisized to death.
> They move on to other places where new users are welcomed with open
> arms and friendly gestures.
>
> So when the messenger is personally critisizing those who are trying
> to do the work, yes, I blame the messenger.

Yes and the best thing we could do to solve that is not have threads
like this run on for as long as then seem to. People would have
acknowledge nothing constructive is coming from this thread and go
back to talking about real design issues in the other threads.

Sorry but I find the negativity here to be a real turn off.