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On Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 01:19:39AM +0200, Markus Hitter (mah AT jump-ing DOT de) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
> Am 05.09.2015 um 23:39 schrieb Vladimir Zhbanov:
> >> But at the moment, unless we drastically change how we do things,
> >> > KiCAD is #1.
> > Over and over again...
> > 
> > Does this mean we should replace Guile with Python?
> 
> It doesn't matter too much. If people need to script at all, the case on
> newbies is already lost. That said, Python is certainly a lot more
> common, so the entry barrier for not-so-newbies for scripting is
> considerably lower.
I think we should not force newbies to use scripting. It should be 
optional feature for power users.

> 
> > (Emacs Lisp with Vim scripts?
> 
> Scripts should be editor-independent.
I've meant VimL, the embedded vim language, vs Emacs Lisp, sorry. Not
any shell's scripts.

> 
> > LaTeX coding with LibreOffice widgets?
> 
> Neither. Nobody reads multipage documents. People recognize two kinds of
> education: interactive help, like tooltips, and web pages, like a wiki.
I read, at least. And yes, people like all these; however, when after
they are stumbled upon something they don't understand, they tend to
read more full and detailed multipage documents. Look, for instance, at
spice/ngspice/gnucap/pcb documentation.

> Tools have to be foolproof. There is no such thing like "user error",
> tools have to deal properly with _any_ user input. And they should offer
> explanations in ambiguous cases.
Yes, they should. Any work in this direction is appreciated.

> 
> Yes, that's lots of work, and I don't demand anybody to do this. But
> swapping LaTeX for PDF or spending hours to document in LaTeX is
> certainly wasted time.

Nowadays, there are such packages as gitit which can use many input and
many output formats, and various converters. And the point is, we are
writing tons of words here spending too much time, and only a few spend
their time to improve the docs we have, or at least to file a bug
report or discuss an existing one.

Cheers,
  Vladimir