X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=mail.ud03.udmedia.de; h= subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=beta; bh= B5ncE1p8RUWdbcwKMwxiEgAWOCTx6j1XeKJeMs4N2Xo=; b=FNBRPeurYnA798qt 6wV0mPmh2o1BP9zixd86zPx165GJ400HiMqjPsp+eRLM3lxZsLNLCHXyXOzdvJsB TdlJK/OBGrEiuh74h0k8vX0+Kk2u8spoVphiPrVzurk9wGnv0qCJ5l6EPb4Nljib Gh8r4uvLBvbxLBLt95+QF3yVi5k= Subject: Re: [geda-user] New experimental netlist features To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com References: <201509032030 DOT t83KU1Yq017045 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <55E97A3E DOT 2070402 AT jump-ing DOT de> <69B8B3F4-A6E4-43E9-9055-C63A5D6A3707 AT noqsi DOT com> <55E9BD63 DOT 8070407 AT jump-ing DOT de> <201509051930 DOT t85JUlTh019874 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20150905210158 DOT GC7185 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <201509052107 DOT t85L7sHL024299 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20150905213959 DOT GE7185 AT localhost DOT localdomain> From: "Markus Hitter (mah AT jump-ing DOT de) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Message-ID: <55EB788B.3040807@jump-ing.de> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 01:19:39 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150905213959.GE7185@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk Am 05.09.2015 um 23:39 schrieb Vladimir Zhbanov: >> But at the moment, unless we drastically change how we do things, >> > KiCAD is #1. > Over and over again... > > Does this mean we should replace Guile with Python? It doesn't matter too much. If people need to script at all, the case on newbies is already lost. That said, Python is certainly a lot more common, so the entry barrier for not-so-newbies for scripting is considerably lower. > (Emacs Lisp with Vim scripts? Scripts should be editor-independent. > LaTeX coding with LibreOffice widgets? Neither. Nobody reads multipage documents. People recognize two kinds of education: interactive help, like tooltips, and web pages, like a wiki. Tools have to be foolproof. There is no such thing like "user error", tools have to deal properly with _any_ user input. And they should offer explanations in ambiguous cases. Yes, that's lots of work, and I don't demand anybody to do this. But swapping LaTeX for PDF or spending hours to document in LaTeX is certainly wasted time. Markus -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. (FH) Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/