X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2015 15:16:48 -0400 Message-Id: <201509051916.t85JGmaj018995@envy.delorie.com> From: DJ Delorie To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com In-reply-to: (geda-user AT delorie DOT com) Subject: Re: [geda-user] New experimental netlist features References: <55E8773B DOT 9000902 AT jump-ing DOT de> <55E8831A DOT 8050307 AT jump-ing DOT de> <55E891FA DOT 2010509 AT jump-ing DOT de> <201509032030 DOT t83KU1Yq017045 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <55E97A3E DOT 2070402 AT jump-ing DOT de> <69B8B3F4-A6E4-43E9-9055-C63A5D6A3707 AT noqsi DOT com> Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com > Users should have a choice between > 1. kicad, a GUI centric integrated tool that has limited workflows but > intuitive control > 2. geda, a suite of tools where the user decides basically everything > and hence has to understand more of what they are doing. 3. A toolkit that's GUI-centric for new users but lets them expand their flow by changing things behind-the-scenes (or replacing them) once they understand what they're doing. I think both Kicad's "GUI-only" and John's "Toolkit-only" approach are near-sighted. We need to be something that's flexible enough that we can accomodate a wide range of users, not just people who know guile programming or just mouse clicks. We need to have an entry story that has a small learning curve, so we can attract new users, without sacrificing the flexibility that benefits the more advanced user. Those new users will eventually become advanced users and benefit thereof, but only if they start using our tools in the first place. Why? Because we need a robust user community in order to have a robust developer community, and we need the devs in order to grow. (those of you who do not want growth are free to stop updating your local git repos, and share your stale versions with your friends :)