X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hFzptgA7FEU+ZFfaNvHVrOVqE1Uvfi9xN5Eq9QqWzxA=; b=modSf99YWVwdiXW46TPrFxNlWSRUekdv26L182YVBqYdy/Nf02HCZFsBLPPUeXctx/ IyAfHBEAoPUqwNB89tnw2wp4Fkb2V7u0wD2HkAvRn8AdBsljeip2YlJJR/Wo1ptMcdKT 9IGEPleEFsrNOfu2kxRgx4r+HjW91drd7Fjd8ThuBr4vfw07kIlXsU61Xe4+Z4LNRNzr KGYozNyl6poUubYP6y5IOrv7jaaF+rvE87eakHd9hI6gmgd4Qqmaz3MOy+Od+GikhPt1 GMnakZvxK2GkElQQH781U8yjP7GI5I8394INAWcgnEWzbVRZnYXtfSxSt7GJEVVmFdcM Fq6A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.64.7 with SMTP id k7mr4305070lbs.31.1441380630604; Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:30:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <69B8B3F4-A6E4-43E9-9055-C63A5D6A3707@noqsi.com> References: <55E8773B DOT 9000902 AT jump-ing DOT de> <55E8831A DOT 8050307 AT jump-ing DOT de> <55E891FA DOT 2010509 AT jump-ing DOT de> <201509032030 DOT t83KU1Yq017045 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <55E97A3E DOT 2070402 AT jump-ing DOT de> <69B8B3F4-A6E4-43E9-9055-C63A5D6A3707 AT noqsi DOT com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 11:30:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] New experimental netlist features From: "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id t84FUfHr004571 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:46 AM, John Doty wrote: > > On Sep 4, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Markus Hitter (mah AT jump-ing DOT de) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > >> I think the secret is to make the GUI-only workflow for the usual >> schematics -> pcb -> Gerbers task complete. With orange and/or xgsch2pcb >> we're almost there, so let's do the final touches. Tutorials should be >> replaced with ones using GUI tools only. 90% of potential newbies don't >> even try when they see a tutorial which asks to type commands. Having >> the GUI workflow, the name of the underlying tool matters a lot less. > > This makes no sense to me. The users you’re targeting are not what gEDA is architected to serve. Why would they want gEDA over kiCAD? Shouldn’t we be promoting our strengths? Gnetlist is the unique, powerful, core of gEDA. Why hide it away? I also agree with John. For all the reasons he and Igor2 mentioned. Users should have a choice between 1. kicad, a GUI centric integrated tool that has limited workflows but intuitive control 2. geda, a suite of tools where the user decides basically everything and hence has to understand more of what they are doing. We have the user base we do because we are catering to that audience. Why alienate our users and put ourselves in a kind of competition with kicad. We are better off being great out our niche than trying to dethrone them from theirs. I believe that what holds back geda is not architecture issues but community ones. > John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. > http://www.noqsi.com/ > jpd AT noqsi DOT com > > > -- Home http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ Work http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/