X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=mail.ud03.udmedia.de; h= subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=beta; bh= HvgvIAesTc82rqYf7U/irM2TxjElsznXx3sDDoks/Rg=; b=UpPAgDL96TVxkbYT w8rijZEeIk7D3wD1HAFM93WKVSlJDbdVibJFUB2eGx5n299EbAW5rPfE9UnDGBYa YZ9feLBIID9bTMmn2KvFwpP7V8PzkfIUF+YZCaubvOMOiv6GG73TB7F5bG7NRR32 orscoiHlgVIauadexjIvkGCYXsk= Subject: Re: [geda-user] Interesting blog post from a commercial EDA vendor To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com References: <55E8E02D DOT 5050402 AT ecosensory DOT com> <55E97313 DOT 3050602 AT jump-ing DOT de> <55E9A540 DOT 30109 AT ecosensory DOT com> From: "Markus Hitter (mah AT jump-ing DOT de) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Message-ID: <55E9B635.1070200@jump-ing.de> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 17:18:13 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55E9A540.30109@ecosensory.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk Am 04.09.2015 um 16:05 schrieb John Griessen: > You should not give up on the open > hardware concept Markus -- there are success > stories different than makerbot. I'm not aware of one. Not even Arduino. The Arduino folks put tremendous efforts into coming along with an easy to use package, but wherever you look, people buy cheap clones. It simply can't work at a reasonably large scale. As soon as something is moderately successful "the chinese" come along and make cheaper clones. They can, because they have zero development costs. They don't even have the risk of failure, because the original tested and built up the market already. The only way to survive with Open Source hardware is to stay below the chinese radar. That's what I'm currently doing. Like almost everybody else I open source only for marketing reasons. Former designs were made with collaboration and easy replication in mind, it was a nightmare. Flaming from all sides, including OSHW addicts. Open Source software is successful because it comes with collaboration. One puts in 100 hours of work for free and gets back 1000, also free. Forks are known to fail sooner or later, because they cut off the back channel. With software the concept of Open Source is healthy. > Once profit has paid back for trade secret designs, and they get stale, > and new designs are available, the trade secrets > get the open license also, and other new parts are kept back as trade > secrets. That is a picture of further evolution than "break out boards" > for open hardware products. I think it can work. You mean Open Source hardware as flea market for outdated hardware? :-) Markus -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. (FH) Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/