X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 17:08:14 +0200 (CEST) X-X-Sender: igor2 AT igor2priv To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Debug: to=geda-user AT delorie DOT com from="gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu" From: gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu Subject: Re: [geda-user] New experimental netlist features In-Reply-To: <69B8B3F4-A6E4-43E9-9055-C63A5D6A3707@noqsi.com> Message-ID: References: <55E8773B DOT 9000902 AT jump-ing DOT de> <55E8831A DOT 8050307 AT jump-ing DOT de> <55E891FA DOT 2010509 AT jump-ing DOT de> <201509032030 DOT t83KU1Yq017045 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <55E97A3E DOT 2070402 AT jump-ing DOT de> <69B8B3F4-A6E4-43E9-9055-C63A5D6A3707 AT noqsi DOT com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 4 Sep 2015, John Doty wrote: > > On Sep 4, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Markus Hitter (mah AT jump-ing DOT de) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > >> I think the secret is to make the GUI-only workflow for the usual >> schematics -> pcb -> Gerbers task complete. With orange and/or xgsch2pcb >> we're almost there, so let's do the final touches. Tutorials should be >> replaced with ones using GUI tools only. 90% of potential newbies don't >> even try when they see a tutorial which asks to type commands. Having >> the GUI workflow, the name of the underlying tool matters a lot less. > > This makes no sense to me. The users you?re targeting are not what gEDA is architected to serve. Why would they want gEDA over kiCAD? Shouldn?t we be promoting our strengths? Gnetlist is the unique, powerful, core of gEDA. Why hide it away? I somewhat agree with John about not hiding the non-GUI flows. I still remember when I started with electronics many years ago. I did look at different packages, and there were three things that got me settled with geda and pcb: - it was not integrated, but a set of specialized tools - it let me do the glue between the tools (I wanted to use make) - pcb file format looked like text editor friendly. So I'd relax that idea about advertising the GUI only. I'd probably advertise the GUI in the first, longer paragraphs and keep a shorter paragraph at the end explaining how well non-GUI ways are supported. Regards, Igor2