X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=mail.ud03.udmedia.de; h= subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=beta; bh= bsxp49moMxKOPA2qdZ7FcWw1nsVBZGv0K9umu+UuNDg=; b=bnNVuMUjqjs3c0Fn imnJcBH+zzsi2yTNIFHi2mL/xjNaExeECnbiuPL70NyGOTXwpWMw/TSWXF4MgO1H 0qU/qaTdOnNoa7jx/TczWaTE45Zds7k7ZzGj1bpNlVPQRQNzNF9RJ1+nxKwCoYkt O0TFC2kxsfKfakKd0yhtH9/ruBk= Subject: Re: [geda-user] New experimental netlist features To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com References: <55E8773B DOT 9000902 AT jump-ing DOT de> <55E8831A DOT 8050307 AT jump-ing DOT de> <55E891FA DOT 2010509 AT jump-ing DOT de> <201509032030 DOT t83KU1Yq017045 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> From: "Markus Hitter (mah AT jump-ing DOT de) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Message-ID: <55E97A3E.2070402@jump-ing.de> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 13:02:22 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201509032030.t83KU1Yq017045@envy.delorie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk Am 03.09.2015 um 22:30 schrieb DJ Delorie: > Do we want to retain backwards compatibility? Yes. Do we want to do > so at the expense of new development? No. How do we reconcile these > two goals? I don't know, and nobody has offered a workable solution. ... > So how do we proceed? I think each side needs to consider the needs > of the other side, and try to come up with a solution that leads to a > seamless transition from the old way to the new way. We can't afford > to either choose "don't change anything" or "replace the old with the > new". > > We need a third option that involves some compromise from each side. > ... > Don't forget the ton of documentation and random web pages that refer > to "gnetlist" that will no longer be the "preferred way". I think the secret is to make the GUI-only workflow for the usual schematics -> pcb -> Gerbers task complete. With orange and/or xgsch2pcb we're almost there, so let's do the final touches. Tutorials should be replaced with ones using GUI tools only. 90% of potential newbies don't even try when they see a tutorial which asks to type commands. Having the GUI workflow, the name of the underlying tool matters a lot less. The birth of a new tool also brings in marketing opportunities. "gEDA now with Xorn, the new powerful netlister. Now you can 1) ... 2) ... 3) ..." and so on. People put a lot more attention to something entirely new than to refinements over the years. Markus -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. (FH) Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/