X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Envelope-From: paubert AT iram DOT es Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 01:44:06 +0200 From: "Gabriel Paubert (paubert AT iram DOT es) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] Difference between attached and detached attributes Message-ID: <20150718234406.GA14479@visitor2.iram.es> References: <55A813B5 DOT 4040609 AT sbcglobal DOT net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spamina-Bogosity: Unsure X-Spamina-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spamina-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-1.0 points) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: delorie.com] -0.0 BAYES_40 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 20 to 40% [score: 0.3402] Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 12:09:52AM +0200, Roland Lutz wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jul 2015, Girvin R. Herr (gherr375 AT sbcglobal DOT net) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > >I have been doing some symbol work in gschem and I got confused > >again about attached attributes vs detached attributes. The > >manuals do not go into detail about usage. Hint, hint. Can > >someone tell me what is the difference between them and where I > >should apply one vs the other? > > An attribute is a specially formatted text object which can be > attached to a component, net, bus, or pin, or not be attached at > all. > > An attribute which is not attached to an object is called a "floating" or > "toplevel" attribute. Floating attributes are used for two purposes: in a > symbol, they contain default attribute values. In a schematic, they > contain information global to that schematic page; for example, the VHDL > backend searches for a toplevel "module-name" attribute in the schematic, > and John Doty's spice-noqsi backend searches for "spice-prolog" and > "spice-epilog". > > An attribute which is attached to a component overrides the value from the > symbol's floating attribute. (There are some exceptions to this like the > "graphical=1" attribute which can't be properly unset by attaching an > attribute to the component.) You can delete an inherited attribute by > attaching an attribute with the value "unknown" to the component. > > You can't attach an attribute to a specific pin of a component's > symbol, so you can't override pin attributes when you instantiate a > symbol in a schematic. There is a special slotting mechanism, > though, which allows you to select one of a set of pre-defined pin > numbering schemes. > > It is important to understand that the attributes inherited from the > symbol (both floating and attached to a pin) live in the symbol file, > whereas the attributes attached to the component live in the instantiating > schematic file. You don't have a way to change the symbol from the > instantiating schematic; the way to change inherited attributes is to > attach an attribute with the same name and another value to the component. > (You could obviously change the symbol by embedding it and hacking the > schematic file, but AFAIK, there is no way to do this in gschem.) > > When creating a component, some floating attributes from the symbol are > usually copied to the schematic and automatically attached to the symbol, > hiding the inherited attributes. This is called "attribute promotion". > The default set of promoted attributes is: footprint, device, value, > model-name, and symversion. > > The menu items "Attributes/Attach" and "Attributes/Detach" are used > to attach floating attributes to components, nets, buses, and pins, > and to convert attached attributes back to floating attributes. You > don't need these for normal gschem usage. (If you still want to try > them, take extra care not to accidentally lose invisible attributes. > You can type "e n" to make invisible text temporarily visible.) "e n" is a big hammer and often results in an extremely cluttered display: if you select a component, typing "t t" will toggle the visibility of the attributes of the component which is much less invasive. Typing "t t" again obviously reverts the operation. Gabriel