X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at neurotica.com X-NSA-prism-xkeyscore: I do not consent to surveillance, prick X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=neurotica.com; s=default; t=1436817861; bh=sbUu3BC0wJ9gbvSFDwbWXmFqwI5/gg26GO2zkGTXwho=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=UvmR+SCz2tF3sbXmbBZ035qQzwYA0eeqNPdNOFAiW+85ZlHf4jdlBs2psVJAZitCY PsFnV3lLoz6ZT3G3WAABMe9WzEoFmy8lI0OtZ0sA+b6IPAzrE+uPDuf3KXiKUikhaX Lzby76+LA9tl2Yetdo3nirVqb8wuBqjEolc7pLPU= Message-ID: <55A419C5.6080206@neurotica.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:04:21 -0400 From: "Dave McGuire (mcguire AT neurotica DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] The new to do References: <55A2A0A2 DOT 4080403 AT ecosensory DOT com> <7AE39440-DA68-4491-A965-C1B97D1D86C1 AT sbcglobal DOT net> <20150712213152 DOT 7968b74c AT jive DOT levalinux DOT org> <304D9D86-3CF6-4D61-A5CA-6CE414EA0661 AT sbcglobal DOT net> <20150712224637 DOT 2d4cc2de AT wind DOT levalinux DOT org> <55A2E9B7 DOT 9040502 AT neurotica DOT com> <20150713131707 DOT GA782 AT recycle DOT lbl DOT gov> <55A4042E DOT 5060402 AT neurotica DOT com> <55A41115 DOT 2060607 AT xs4all DOT nl> In-Reply-To: <55A41115.2060607@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com On 07/13/2015 03:27 PM, Bert Timmerman (bert DOT timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >> I think what we need to motivate actual development, rather than >> conversation, is cold hard CASH. I'll kick in a few bucks for the next >> round of development, whatever it may be, for gschem and PCB. >> >> Anyone else? >> > Just my proverbial 0.02 EUR. > > IMHO, this is not fair towards the "pure" unpaid volunteers. > > This approach put me off last time some bucks were collected through > LinuxFund (1). > > I could be tempted myself to hold off any commits until some cash was in > sight and a paid for target identified. > > To me this approach looks counter-productive on first, second and hind > sight: if the financial threshold is not met, no commits will follow. > > GSoC (2) is another way of getting some progress, although as soon as > money or big job opportunities are in sight (last time) things can turn > out sour (abandonware: I have no hard feelings though, it's just a pitah > nobody was able to pick this one up and follow through, it's probably > waaaaay over our heads --> magic stuff for a genius/wizard to master). > > We are in this together and have to do the grunt work ourselves, long > live the "doitocracy", these are your tools, let's keep them sharp and > useful by (y)ourselves ;-) In general I agree, but few things motivate people more than cash. I wonder if there's some way to do it that actually works. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA