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You are right. GPL3 is also ugly. I'd really prefer BSD or GPL2.

I see this FLTK thing, and it looks good, but this is not mature. But
still... we DON'T have a problem here.

Lev

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 1:42 AM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 10:27 PM, Dave McGuire (mcguire AT neurotica DOT com)
> [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> > On 07/12/2015 04:46 PM, Kovacs Levente (leventelist AT gmail DOT com) [via
> > geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
> >>> What are the alternatives? Stay on Gtk+ 2 or Qt?
> >>
> >> Why do we want change something, which is not broken? Do we have
> >> some issues with GTK2? I don't think so. GTK3 is ugly. Why do we
> >> talk about it?
> >>
> >> If we must change, then change to QT.
> >>
> >> I think GTK2 is okay. There are a tons of other things to do with
> >> gEDA.
> >
> >   Seconded.  GTK2 looks and works great.  There's a reason why many
> > people and projects have stuck with GTK2 rather than "upgrade" to GTK3.
>
> I am not a fan of GTK3. Qt has other complications. There was a
> movement afoot to unify the windows spawned by gschem into one format.
> I think that needs to be giving an extra going over. Then we need to
> migrate over to a unified HID interface as PCB did. That is assuming
> someone (not me) really wants to put the labour in.
>
> As much as I like GTK2 I have a strong feeling that the whole GTK vs
> Qt debate will be moot in a few years. The embedded space will bring
> sanity back to the GTK3 developer's footprint. If they even persist
> that long, a lot of people were alienated by GTK3. Qt already has an
> embedded version. What they need is a way to scale between the two
> with less effort. GTK will evolve too.
>
> OT: does anyone else wonder what this will do to the space?
>
> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/03/12/0147256/google-to-replace-gtk-with-its-own-aura-in-chrome
>
> Why not just go to Qt whole hog? Well for one thing we have higher
> priorities, for another Qt's license options are GPL3 or LGPL2/3. The
> GPL3 dependency is something I for one would like to avoid.
>
> >              -Dave
> >
> > --
> > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> > New Kensington, PA
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>You are right. GPL3 is also ugly. I&#39;d really pref=
er BSD or GPL2.<br><br></div><div>I see this FLTK thing, and it looks good,=
 but this is not mature. But still... we DON&#39;T have a problem here.<br>=
</div><div><br></div>Lev<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 1:42 AM, Evan Foss (<a href=3D"mai=
lto:evanfoss AT gmail DOT com">evanfoss AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda=
-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On =
Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 10:27 PM, Dave McGuire (<a href=3D"mailto:mcguire AT neur=
otica.com">mcguire AT neurotica DOT com</a>)<br>
[via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br>
&gt; On 07/12/2015 04:46 PM, Kovacs Levente (<a href=3D"mailto:leventelist@=
gmail.com">leventelist AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] wr=
ote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; What are the alternatives? Stay on Gtk+ 2 or Qt?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Why do we want change something, which is not broken? Do we have<b=
r>
&gt;&gt; some issues with GTK2? I don&#39;t think so. GTK3 is ugly. Why do =
we<br>
&gt;&gt; talk about it?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; If we must change, then change to QT.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I think GTK2 is okay. There are a tons of other things to do with<=
br>
&gt;&gt; gEDA.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0Seconded.=C2=A0 GTK2 looks and works great.=C2=A0 There&#3=
9;s a reason why many<br>
&gt; people and projects have stuck with GTK2 rather than &quot;upgrade&quo=
t; to GTK3.<br>
<br>
</span>I am not a fan of GTK3. Qt has other complications. There was a<br>
movement afoot to unify the windows spawned by gschem into one format.<br>
I think that needs to be giving an extra going over. Then we need to<br>
migrate over to a unified HID interface as PCB did. That is assuming<br>
someone (not me) really wants to put the labour in.<br>
<br>
As much as I like GTK2 I have a strong feeling that the whole GTK vs<br>
Qt debate will be moot in a few years. The embedded space will bring<br>
sanity back to the GTK3 developer&#39;s footprint. If they even persist<br>
that long, a lot of people were alienated by GTK3. Qt already has an<br>
embedded version. What they need is a way to scale between the two<br>
with less effort. GTK will evolve too.<br>
<br>
OT: does anyone else wonder what this will do to the space?<br>
<a href=3D"http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/03/12/0147256/google-to-replac=
e-gtk-with-its-own-aura-in-chrome" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/03/12/0147256/google-to-replace-gtk-with-its=
-own-aura-in-chrome</a><br>
<br>
Why not just go to Qt whole hog? Well for one thing we have higher<br>
priorities, for another Qt&#39;s license options are GPL3 or LGPL2/3. The<b=
r>
GPL3 dependency is something I for one would like to avoid.<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -Dave<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Dave McGuire, AK4HZ<br>
&gt; New Kensington, PA<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</div></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">--<br>
Home<br>
<a href=3D"http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/</a><br>
Work<br>
<a href=3D"http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/proje=
ct/epl_engineering/wiki/</a><br>
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