X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-Source-IP: 90.227.191.161 Message-ID: <1433882876.3446.7.camel@akerlind.nu> Subject: Re: [geda-user] Problem with BGA footprint generator From: Jonatan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C5kerlind?= To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2015 22:47:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: <9B9230E1-E6C0-4A6E-8BC6-F56224D32DCC@sbcglobal.net> References: <5576E497 DOT 3030707 AT lsol DOT ru> <201506091611 DOT t59GBV3f018294 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <9B9230E1-E6C0-4A6E-8BC6-F56224D32DCC AT sbcglobal DOT net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.9-1+b1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfEVc0UVOkY9CrVG6k27CcTh2GDFMKPhg3FWn5mcRipEHh9rVby3B3YVFaTAAXtfWxCW9QVoCrf+UtsdNpi5XLzlxS+E8gmSJ7N3zUSAYvkHv05WV/aqr3yWSSjI0/tyjdmUwzZ+OdD4FNtaBikcljir8USboUd8zIWOqsVpzeLf6bEBEUPIg34lYpDaR37AEQA== Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk Do you have examples of that inconsistency? Just checked with the JEDEC standard (see below) and also checked a datasheet from Xilinx and LT each, and they all agree. I checked these: www.jedec.org/sites/default/files/docs/SPP-020A.pdf http://www.linear.com/docs/46540 www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/package_specs/ft256.pdf There seems to have been some ambiguity with the JEDEC standard (JEP95 SPP-010) regarding this numbering, which was clarified in JEP95 SPP-020A. The standard (SPP-020A) states that when viewing the package from top in the as-mounted orientation with A1 at the top left corner (i.e. same as looking at an unpopulated PCB footprint) the columns are enumerated 1,2,3 left-to-right and the rows are enumerated A,B,C top-to-bottom. But to cite the background from SPP-020A: "The numbering practice for grid array packages has been clearly defined for square packages in JEP95, Section 3, SPP-010. The application of this practice to rectangular array packages is ambiguous and has led to inconsistency in the numbering shown in JEDEC outlines." /Jonatan On tis, 2015-06-09 at 13:21 -0700, Edward Hennessy (ehennes AT sbcglobal DOT net) wrote: > After looking around, I've found two different pin numbering schemes. (Could be more.) > > When rotating the package so pin A1 is in the upper left, one scheme uses letters for the rows and numbers for the columns. The other uses numbers for the rows and letters for the columns. > > Examining datasheets, Linear uses one scheme, and Xilinx uses another. > > I need to update my footprint generator. > > Cheers, > Ed > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 9, 2015, at 9:11 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > > > > I wonder if BGAs have the transistor problem... that the tool is > > correct for some BGAs and wrong for others, and if we fix it it will > > be correct for some BGAs and wrong for others. > -- Jonatan Ã…kerlind +46702002897