X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Message-ID: <54DF054E.1080203@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 09:20:30 +0100 From: Bert Timmerman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110429 Fedora/2.0.14-1.fc13 SeaMonkey/2.0.14 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] on the choice of languages References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Bob Paddock wrote: > > >>> "C" : 11800 >>> "python": 890 >>> "lua" : 150 >>> "guile" : 3 however, "scheme": 68 >>> >> The optimistic view is C is good because it has lots of books, however >> it is also the oldest of the lot so had more time to have books >> written. >> > The number of books does not say anything about the quality of a language. > It does say even less about the appropriateness for a specific task. > Actually, C is a pretty bad choice for scripting ;-) > > But the number of books does say something about popularity. After all, > there is no economic point in publishing 500 books about a language that > is used by 1000 coders worldwide. Even more important, it says something > about relative popularity. > > An open source project like geda relies on volunteers to get ahead. Few > people feel comfortable to learn a new language from scratch just to start > contributing. Choose a rarely used language and you get less contributions > than you could. IMHO, this is what we see with guile. > > > >> It is like job ads I see "We need C developer". >> > In a way, yes. Currently, it would read "We need contributors willing to > contribute guile code". Turns out, the response is saddening quiet. > > Actually, we also need someone who manages to fix the cross compile issue > of guile. Ever since geda requires guile>2.0 we effectively lost the > ability to produce a windows binary. Note, the road block is the cross > compile of guile, not the cross compile of geda itself. > > > >> There is no one 'best' language. Use the most suitable for the >> problem domain, of which there are many in EDA. >> > IMHO, in an open source context a popular language that is OK for the > problem beats a perfect but unknown language hands down. > > ---<)kaimartin(>--- > Hi, I agree .... "The *path of least resistance* is the physical or metaphorical pathway that provides the least resistance to forward motion by a given object or entity, among a set of alternative paths. The concept is often used to describe why an object or entity takes a given path. .... The path of least resistance is also used to describe certain human behaviors, although with much less specificity than in the strict physical sense. In these cases, resistance is often used as a metaphor for personal effort or confrontation; a person taking the path of least resistance avoids these. In library science and technical writing, information is ideally arranged for users according to the Principle of least effort , or the *path of least resistance*. Recursive navigation systems are an example of this. *Note:* The path of least resistance applies on a local, not global, reference. For example, water always flows downhill, regardless of whether briefly flowing uphill will help it gain a lower final altitude (with certain exceptions such as superfluids ). In physics, this phenomenon allows the formation of potential wells , where potential energy is stored because of a barrier restricting flow to a lower energy state." Quote from Wikipedia .... You could form some potential energy by learning Guile/Scheme, before flowing down to a lower energy state. Kind regards, Bert Timmerman.