X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 19:52:53 +0100 (CET) X-X-Sender: igor2 AT igor2priv To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Debug: to=geda-user AT delorie DOT com from="gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu" From: gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu Subject: Re: [geda-user] FOSDEM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1420499386 DOT 3521 DOT 3 DOT camel AT cam DOT ac DOT uk> <20150203112631 DOT 3507a0c1 AT Parasomnia DOT thuis DOT lan> <20150204054256 DOT Horde DOT Pm1JV8RJbICk9SHvIGwZ7A3 AT webmail DOT in-berlin DOT de> <20150204193720 DOT Horde DOT 42xUN-NzhCJRWZne-M5eCQ1 AT webmail DOT in-berlin DOT de> <90236728-E79D-47C7-BFB1-34140DB85ACB AT sbcglobal DOT net> <201502042333 DOT t14NX28o024789 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <7C1A5871-3056-482C-BC58-173D90D80F77 AT icloud DOT com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 6 Feb 2015, Jason White wrote: > On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Edward Hennessy wrote: >>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 9:07 AM, John Doty wrote: >>>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Jason White wrote: >>>> >>>> For those who have not seen, I implemented an example program in C >>>> using Lua to safely read data defined in Lua files. >>> >>> And that is of little use. The schematic and configuration files need to be trivially readable/writable by *any* language >> >> Additionally, it becomes more difficult to create a GUI to edit the data when the data uses a complex file format. >> >> I'd prefer simple configuration and data file formats and save the languages for extensions. > > What is more simple than name=value or name={value, value, value}? I > do no see how that is any more difficult to parse than the current > format. What is a value? Can it be an expression, even as simple as 1+1? If yes, users will start depending on that feature and any importer will need to implement a compatible expression eval. After that, does it support (local) variables, constants or other shorthands? If not, then we are walking the way that restricts the user to a very small subset of the language. If we do that, what's the advantage chosing a subset of lua for the purpose other than cheaper importer/exporter in lua (or embedded lua interpreter)? Just asking because the same argument works for any other data language or programming language that can be restricted in io. At the end of the day, I find the "easier to handle in one specific language" or "easier to handle using a specific library" arguments weaker than the "easy to parse using a random language" argument. Regards, Igor2