X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 02:24:12 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] opper ring flag for vias and pins Message-ID: <20140717002412.GG59609@cicely7.cicely.de> References: <20140715173322 DOT GC56151 AT cicely7 DOT cicely DOT de> <53C56BEB DOT 7030701 AT sonic DOT net> <20140715185832 DOT GA56618 AT cicely7 DOT cicely DOT de> <70a6b8dbb9130d0db9bca203a46bb332 AT cam DOT ac DOT uk> <201407161822 DOT s6GIMoKA006073 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20140717001132 DOT GE59609 AT cicely7 DOT cicely DOT de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20140717001132.GE59609@cicely7.cicely.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely7.cicely.de 7.0-STABLE i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-1,BAYES_00=-1.9,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on spamd.cicely.de Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 02:11:32AM +0200, Bernd Walter wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 02:22:50PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > > > You need to be able to remove inner layer pad annuli completely for > > > signal integrity reasons on some high-speed lines. > > > > Aren't there manufacturability issues if you do that? I.e. voids > > where the copper should be, causing breaks in the barrel? > > Why should there be any? > I can't tell for sure, but when the holes are drilled and plated after > stacking then such a plated hole without inside annular rings should > be just the same as they would be with a standard 2-layer board. > But I just investigated some very high densisty CPU boards I had > within reach and all of them used microvias, but had at least rings > on the outside layers of all vias. > I probably should ask a board manufacturer about their opinions. Just a random manufacturer found by websearch: http://www.eurocircuits.com/index.php/component/content/article/28-glossary/237-ipi-inner-layer-pad-insulation They defines spacing requirements for such a non ringed hole independend if plated or not. So it should be Ok to have non ringed holes in inner layers at least. -- B.Walter http://www.bwct.de Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm.