X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Message-ID: <53C69C54.5030706@sonic.net> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 08:37:56 -0700 From: Dave Curtis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121028 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] opper ring flag for vias and pins References: <20140715173322 DOT GC56151 AT cicely7 DOT cicely DOT de> <53C56BEB DOT 7030701 AT sonic DOT net> <20140715185832 DOT GA56618 AT cicely7 DOT cicely DOT de> <70a6b8dbb9130d0db9bca203a46bb332 AT cam DOT ac DOT uk> In-Reply-To: <70a6b8dbb9130d0db9bca203a46bb332@cam.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sonic-ID: C;vl+VKP8M5BGpXmuUdPQXfw== M;5hfOKP8M5BGpXmuUdPQXfw== X-Spam-Flag: No X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com On 07/16/2014 03:08 AM, Peter C.J. Clifton wrote: > On 2014-07-15 19:58, Bernd Walter wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:59:07AM -0700, Dave Curtis wrote: >>> On 07/15/2014 10:33 AM, Bernd Walter wrote: >>> >Because I just remember this, while I wrote about holes and multilayer. >>> >I would love to selectively switch of the copper ring per layer on >>> >vias and pins. >>> >The reason is that I only need to ring on solder side and on connecting >>> >layers. >>> >On layers I don't need the ring it just reduces space, especially >>> >problematic with a via field e.g. inside a BGA. >>> >It is not just routing space - the wider space between vias and pins >>> >are preferable for groundplanes too. >>> > >>> So one thing I thought of that might help: >>> Set the pad diameter on the Pin[] to the small diameter that you want on >>> the inner layers. Larger pads cans be had on comp and solder side by >>> drawing coincident Pad[] elements with the same pin number. >> >> This could work as a hack for most cases. >> But there are oviously some drawbacks. > > You need to be able to remove inner layer pad annuli completely for > signal integrity reasons on some high-speed lines. > How is that handled in other CAD systems? Is "no inner annuli" a part of the footprint spec, or are they deleted after placing the part?