X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Envelope-From: paubert AT iram DOT es Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:05:47 +0200 From: Gabriel Paubert To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] pcb: Patch for arcs with different radii for x and y on screen Message-ID: <20140627110547.GA21723@visitor2.iram.es> References: <201406211627 DOT s5LGR0aR004148 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <1403799508 DOT 25929 DOT 8 DOT camel AT pcjc2lap> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1403799508.25929.8.camel@pcjc2lap> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spamina-Bogosity: Unsure X-Spamina-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spamina-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-0.2 points) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5011] Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 05:18:28PM +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: > On Sat, 2014-06-21 at 12:27 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > I "think" if gerber supports them, then getting arbitrary axis > > > directions will still be awkward / impossible without approximation. > > > > Gerber doesn't support them. At least, not reliably across fabs. We > > approximate them with line segments. > > Speaking of Gerber - at some point, we should re-validate our output > choices against current UCAMCO recommended practice. Indeed. > > I would suggest that we re-enable arc features in gerbers at some point, > and see if we identify any fabs which still have issues. (They ought to > fix their end, not be a reason to reduce the fidelity of our output). > > > I know we do polygons "wrong", with stitching of pieces without holes. I > vaguely recall that we used to do it the "right" way, but changed for > sake of compatibility with bad fabs. And this actually caised me issues, I had to keep an old version of pcb while I finished a project. > > > UCAMCO have recently issued a white-paper stipulating the "proper" way > is to alternate positive and negative layers, I can see how this would > help CAM software to process things nicely, and as a benefit - it would > speed our output quite a bit for complex boards. I completely agree. > > Similarly - do we stick to their recommended best practices of ONLY > creating pads using a single flash of a single aperture? No. In the Gerber files I produce, the only items which are flashed are vias (and perhaps square pads). > The white-paper > citing this recommendation explains that this structure is used to allow > the CAM tool to extract pad locations more reliably, and that ATE flying > probe testers will use this extracted data to identify probe points. > Agreed. Gabriel