X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=naqvLb4hvEz3Q/vmPREkK4rGjtLtO/tntfIidsMwoQU=; b=Fe/3t3sbd4zhYfGMfhgoq+e3SAH1MumQgIfzQhlRAYYN/J5cczaHf/+cSQPR+hKBe+ 6f1b1MkWohPokhTUL1C/aUSwzhhMJKvJpuv4f9SLQZ4kzBSaNujtXbrWUyFuGLm5CVXU GlQkgPnNc9UYvQBH9EesRyPgnSRHT3MX2pfT1PS5fmkjWtWb/eCgDJ6KMj7y2qr6+81T AA8Uparz62moGHM+6/4KlPz9LhqRHHa8OiugqvG8GbvHy5myomBsrVg6Iidy5SNOiIS4 R7Mm/w2FAr1ife9ffnZlIDeXYPnWBBWSsSNLvEZcwrcYWOoPMo0Ez+xtt7qH+MBlcg6n IBKA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.206.164 with SMTP id lp4mr24314708wic.1.1374278917880; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:08:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51E975F4.1070206@sonic.net> References: <1374186814 DOT 16840 DOT 19 AT zotlet> <51E975F4 DOT 1070206 AT sonic DOT net> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:08:37 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] PCB BGA (ball grid array) Package/Footprint From: Russell Dill To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkReEaCFd+DsIs//81IE/2xp3relYMgDZJEt3JAuxbZMCCUcCGDPz6JmZZVXg6ytuuqFVdc Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Dave Curtis wrote: > On 07/18/2013 03:33 PM, Lilith Bryant wrote: >> >> On 2013-07-19 01:19:25 AM, Rob Butts wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone done a PCB using the new chips with the BGA (ball grid array)? >>> If so, how did you define the footprint? As through-holes? Fab shops >>> must >>> be capable of accommodating these ICs otherwise they wouldn't exist. >>> >>> I'm thinking they must be easy to solder since it would simply fall into >>> it's position with either pre-soldered holes or pre-soldered pins/balls. >>> >> I have just finished a paying job using an iMX6 processor (624 ball >> 0.8mm), >> FPGA (256 ball 1mm), and 4xDDR3 (96 ball 0.8mm). However, even for >> personal use prototypes, I wouldn't even try doing it myself. > > What do you end up paying an assembly house to attach of those on a one-off > basis for a prototype? When I looked for a board I was doing with 1 96-ball 0.8mm, 1 784-ball 1mm, and 5 100-ball 1mm components (as well as many other components), It was cheaper for me to buy an oven, a controller for it, a hot air gun, a steel stencil, parts for a vacuum pen system, a set of small test boards for developing a process, paste, and still have money left over to re-do in case things get screwed up. There certainly is a lot of upfront investment in tools and time learning, but for me, assembly is part of the hobby. If you already do boards with 0.5mm qfn/qfp and 0402's, 0.8mm and 1mm BGAs are not a big deal. If you haven't already, I'd recommend trying your hand at a stencil+reflow process without BGA first. It really comes down to how valuable your time is, and if you consider assembly part of your hobby or if you want to skip past that. I know several other hobbyists who do BGA at home, and enjoy doing it.