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From: Markus Hitter <mah AT jump-ing DOT de>
Subject: Re: [geda-user] Re: refdes renumber
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 15:45:00 +0200
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Am 08.06.2013 um 14:15 schrieb Kai-Martin Knaak:

> This is a repost with reduced number of spelling errors:
>
> Markus Hitter wrote:
>
>> People no longer care about non-
>> blocking bugs, don't look at patches and those doing development
>> usually keep the result in their own locker out of an totally
>> unfounded fear to mess something up or, worse, don't even get the
>> idea their work would be welcome.
>
> Well, geda is not exactly known to happily accept contributions by
> people from outside an inner circle of core developers.

Didn't you notice this has changed? Looking at myself, I got commit  
access with just a pile of patches, without ever doing anything for  
gEDA before. These patches even sort of upset another developer,  
still I was allowed apply them. The result should have made everybody  
happy, even drill sorting - one of the major reasons for the upset -  
works now better than ever before, because yet another person  
reworked it. Let me take the opportunity to say thank you to  
everybody involved.

Currently I'd expect DJ Delorie to give commit access to about  
everybody asking for it. And I consider this to be a good move.

>> I see this especially with
>> projects trying to do high quality work, not so much with chaotic
>> development models used by Linux & Co.
>
> I am not convinced that open source development is generally more
> chaotic than closed source.

Looking at various open source projects I see very different stages  
of chaos. Some projects accept about everything without looking at  
it, others require to run tests and reviews. I consider gEDA to be  
pretty far on the side where careful designs are found.

> Just because you don't see less than
> optimal structures from the outside does not mean, everything is
> fine behind the veil of a binary blob. There are plausible reasons
> that even the opposite may be true. The very fact, that every code
> path is explicitly visible to the public provides a motivation for
> excellence.

That's true. The worst piece of code I've ever seen produced almost  
as many warnings as it had code lines, still it compiled. It was code  
developed closed, then opened later.


- on-topic stuff skipped - ;-)


Markus

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