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I like the idea of a mkefile generator. On the issue of spice commands
what I do is a bit messy from a programmers perspective but I just lay
them all out on the first or last page of a set of schematics. That
one page contains only spice stuff.

-Evan

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Abhijit Kshirsagar
<abhijit86k AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
> Oh ok. Yes I agree with the spice commands being in a separate file,
> but I can't write the makefile by hand- simply because I (will) have
> too many symbols each with a schematic. So I think i'll have to try to
> write a makefile generator...
>
> -Abhijit
>
> On 1/17/13, John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> wrote:
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:21 PM, Abhijit Kshirsagar wrote:
>>
>>>> Interesting. Stuart seems not to have implemented refdes "munging" for
>>>> all of the components he lists at
>>>> http://www.brorson.com/gEDA/SPICE/x631.html.
>>>
>>> So does that count as a bug?
>>
>> I think so. Mismatch between code and documentation always counts as a bug
>> as far as I'm concerned.
>>
>>>
>>>> Put (hierarchy-traversal "disabled") in your gnetlistrc. Then I netlist
>>>> subcircuits separately and
>>>> let SPICE do the hierarchy expansion. See
>>>> http://www.brorson.com/gEDA/SPICE/intro.html.
>>>
>>> I've looked through this - and it seems to be the same as the RF
>>> example that ships with the gEDA distribution.
>>> As i understand, I need to generate the cir files from the
>>> sub-schematics first, then netlist the top level schematics.
>>
>> Yes. The spice-sdb back end normally does the inclusion of model files for
>> you. Even if you turn this off with -I, it inspects model files to figure
>> out whether they are macro models (.SUBCKT) or primitive model parameters
>> (.MODEL). Thus, all model files that a schematic page uses must exist prior
>> to invoking the netlister. I consider this a misfeature.
>>
>> Since SPICE has no scoping of subcircuit or model names, it is useless to
>> include the same model file repeatedly in different contexts, but that's
>> what spice-sdb does, unfortunately. I prefer to have a Makefile use "cat" to
>> assemble the final netlist from the individual subcircuit netlists.
>>
>>>
>>> Do most people use something like a makefile, when systems become
>>> large? Is there a makefile generator out there?
>>>
>>
>> I just write a Makefile. No generator.
>>
>>> I was hoping to have everything (including the SPICE simulation
>>> commands) in schematics only - so the end user only needs to keep
>>> gSCHEM open and navigate the hierarchy to see the entire design.
>>
>> Well, it makes more sense to me to edit things like .CONTROL sections in a
>> text editor rather than a graphics editor. And, as noted above, I prefer to
>> assemble the simulation file with "cat" rather than gnetlist: this gives me
>> much better control. Also, I often have very large test stimulus files,
>> megabytes of PWL commands, generated by separate scripts. It's not practical
>> to put *those* in a schematic. But if you want, you can put your extra stuff
>> in spice-directive symbols. You can even put multi-line code into the value=
>> attribute by editing the attribute as text ("ex" rather than "ee").
>>
>> John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
>> http://www.noqsi.com/
>> jpd AT noqsi DOT com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> ~Abhijit



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