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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:58:34 +0000
From: Chris Smith <cjs94 AT zepler DOT net>
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On 14/12/2012 16:28, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, Chris Smith wrote:
> 
>> On 14/12/2012 13:41, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote:
>>>
[snip]
>>>
>>> 1. what happens if I cut an existing, tagged net in a way a segment
>>> falls off? Does it become a floating (not associated) net or, does it
>>> keep its tag reflecting original user intention?
>>
>> IMHO, the system should never automatically change an attribute from a
>> specific to a more general value -- to do so is effectively throwing
>> away information.  The track segment should keep its association; the
>> user can manually change it if desired.
> 
> Yes, this is one of the approaches. Advantage is simplicity without
> losing info, drawback is more manual tweaking when one doesn't build
> things incrementally but breaks/rewires.

But how much manual tweaking is that, really?  In the worst case you've
changed the operation from 'delete segment' to 'delete segment', 'move
mouse over floating net' and 'press "disassociate net" hotkey'.  It
really doesn't seem that big a deal to me.

> So beside this method retrains more information about user intention,
> which is good, in many cases it would highlight something very similar
> to a minimal cut.

Yes, but minimal cut (or any such algorithm) works in hindsight and can
only guess which user action caused the problem.  The advantage of net
association is that it can work online -- it can tell the user 'what you
are doing right now is going to cause a problem', and that, to me, makes
it vastly superior.  It's analogous to DRC and Auto-enforce/online DRC.

Chris
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Chris Smith <cjs94 AT zepler DOT net>