X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UwJqsiZhearxZ5BcMNYsVoFnZi/FUgQFVPtugInw7zU=; b=Ch89vQOdnWXvXUsFORu5eQP8hSTAMVLYMq/D1wMmdX7lLCS09rUvo5hRLXs5ymZrcZ Gi732gwLULXTjV6WNgmW8A2HuZJJQwkGrtH5ZzVKFIxJcw5aDL6VCi2HZcOJVtC1qm9P RkytlA9CgudrL6C8QT1UN25ebK8E/atxqC+R18s6u8d4TkRykv+PfxK+pJU+PKLCswa7 FpAJT9evZImwuh6NbHehoEdiSLXWQ3y6Kl359VBtD5n78M3lLKyc1dbn6NPkaGlTAErr IRQjHlSPYjjaDdc6KIvIGs0H4Nz62YjhnGoEVVy5yAeGZEXhghc6p9yx3RcgHx/ETskg iiGg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20121113211401 DOT 20747813A49B AT turkos DOT aspodata DOT se> <20121115210903 DOT 90A4881345E3 AT turkos DOT aspodata DOT se> <20121116040916 DOT 1243ba04 AT akka> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:37:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] Bug #903129 Translations don't work on Windows From: Bob Paddock To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Bob Paddock wrote: > >> I agree with what you say there for the users of EDA tools, but I >> stand by my comment. >> >> In the Corporate Windows World the boss puts a deadline on the >> schedule to ship a board. > > To foster adoption of a specific software in a typical business > environment, you don't have convince the actual users. It is the > management and ultimately the owners that need to be waxed with sales > pitches. Depends on the size of the company. In all of the ones I've worked for and with tools are driven from the bottom up, or inertia. The users find the tool they like, then they make the case for Return On Investment to the boss to get funding and/or time in the schedule. So you have to have something that a user can try quickly (spending hours tracking down missing libraries leaves out having the user build it) to see if it is useful, before such experiments with new tools impact the schedule. > But there are other environments with different needs: Electronic > enthusiasts, and university research and education. Typically, in this > kind of environment, there is very little real money available to > spend on licenses. Small companies also have little 'real money' for tools. As I mentioned sometimes it is just inertia, rather than money, that drives things. I have Protel 2012 on my desktop at work because of legacy designs. I'd rather use PCB. Only real difference to me in my usage is lack of blind/buried vias. > In addition, users typically have a say in which > tools to use. Depends on the domain of the tool. If some manager spent Big Bucks on an all-encompassing software management system, and you say "Hey we could use http://www.redmine.org/ for that instead", it doesn't go well at performance review. Really want to get a bad review then show them better Open Source ERP tools after they've spent millions on Symix and similar ilk.