X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=qtexdnpegDY96yklVGUrMziVJI66SYvpsGHJtIDl59E=; b=hXbytvPLw/ipiTbw5gjiasWsIuNHgHXAkmP/37j5dI7DncU7zwQkcZgrazlFlAHCbV IjPU+s1St9ma5MAovb1W6IQ6mjwlIrM6emPycuoMBPMZ0kYqLVCGXSWmvnYPxbtzZFKT OeLKPNw+LiYBN/5+amkKDwg+INzRGRDQdMSeoQUlASFhC28mbxMmUMLFcc4tGwNU9YH2 JVKptLCKwH7kVZf0vDT6Acto73yxWuAJ94jgwVhWeDws/dK+ED4BskAW4xAUaDYfvTUB VJJkwoY7yXtQ1oZdaYDVsPA10Bov15z59hyl0jRCgApaYzGj2pgI466JYu5Ab3kNKcO+ T4zQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [50.72.201.196] In-Reply-To: <520BBE4F-11DA-4213-9AFF-F6F1127625C2@noqsi.com> References: <2CB304B5-9587-4734-84E4-49F464744D11 AT noqsi DOT com> <6BF2E986-51EB-41E9-A4AD-8071CD00B1A1 AT jump-ing DOT de> <834283D4-0891-486E-A981-2FF20B32C615 AT noqsi DOT com> <54CAA7EE-7638-4B89-8197-111D0493F859 AT noqsi DOT com> <508CE947 DOT 4050408 AT xs4all DOT nl> <665E18E2-E9F9-40E4-9DE1-CC8FDBBDCB00 AT noqsi DOT com> <508EE43F DOT 5050505 AT neurotica DOT com> <9B14233C-F3A7-489C-BDC7-F6EAAAFCAB51 AT noqsi DOT com> <508EECDA DOT 8090803 AT neurotica DOT com> <20121030231609 DOT 615b3238 AT akka> <520BBE4F-11DA-4213-9AFF-F6F1127625C2 AT noqsi DOT com> From: Benjamin Bergman Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:39:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] The state of gEDA/gaf (Was gEDA/PCBs diversity, Was: Pin hole size) To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl4XGw/KISX7bzWbV1sMjK2jCsV+DlfNES1I8vJQ8evlJ6wyWtYuyiqeup8EhGddChhCm07 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id qA13e8eE011594 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 6:32 PM, John Doty wrote: > I think this is related to the trouble I have understanding pcb. I expect a program like this to allow me to tell it "put a hole in this and that; put copper hither and yon". It shouldn't be necessary to implement "buried vias" in pcb: the user should be able to describe a buried via (or any other composite structure). Instead, pcb implements nothing but composites, and limits you to its built in set, whose members have properties difficult to understand. This is probably the thing that has annoyed me the most with pcb too. I feel that any layer should be like any other layer. The fact that some things can only happen in certain layers, the silk layers are combined in a non-intuitive way in the GUI, etc. is a substantial barrier to entry. I think pcb is a fantastic tool and I have used it to design a few boards, but I think there is some unneeded complexity in the interface. I don't know if there is currently any effort to correct this, but I would be willing to lend a hand to do some of this development. I haven't touched the code much, but if someone wants to point me to a good starting place, I'm all ears. Ben