X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:29:22 +0100 From: Jan Kasprzak To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] The state of gEDA/gaf (Was gEDA/PCBs diversity, Was: Pin hole size) Message-ID: <20121030132922.GY32696@fi.muni.cz> References: <1511E63C-F435-44B1-9734-C7AF7AF49A92 AT sbcglobal DOT net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1511E63C-F435-44B1-9734-C7AF7AF49A92@sbcglobal.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-12-10) X-Muni-Spam-TestIP: 147.251.48.3 X-Muni-Envelope-From: kas AT fi DOT muni DOT cz X-Muni-Virus-Test: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (tirith.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.35]); Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:29:24 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk Edward Hennessy wrote: : All, : : What about reopening a public developers list? : : - Anyone can join : - Anyone can post ideas : - Anyone can post patches : - Skilled developers invited to git access : - Junior developers mentored As a newcomer to geda, I don't think it is a great idea. You would end up with users list nobody sufficiently skilled reads, and with devel list with occasional end-user questions. Again, as a newcomer, I find the documentation of geda to be one of the weakest points. For example, when you search for "geda" in Google, it takes you to www.gpleda.org, which describes more different tools. For gEDA, there are eight(!) web sites linked from there, two mailing lists, and seven download links. For a newcomer, it is not bearable. When I asked the original question of this thread (about pin hole sizes), one of the replies mentioned a PDF document about footprint symbols hosted somewhere outside geda-project.org. The documentation is really scattered over many sites. The main page of www.geda-project.org is focused on different things than a newcomer, or even an experienced user, wants to see there. Nobody is interested why the project has been started (at least not in the main page), nobody goes there looking for a link to Open Collector. Other interesting things, like download links or a git repository, are not even mentioned there. I would expect to have the following main points to be made in the home page: - gEDA is a loosely-coupled collection of tools - Start with _gschem_ if you want to design your own schematics (_tutorial_) - Use _pcb_ (and maybe _gsch2pcb_) to design your board (_tutorial_) - download the source code _here_, browse the git repository _here_ (maybe even "download binaries for other OSes _here_"). - read the _documentation_ and _FAQ_ in the wiki BTW, something is wrong with geda-project.org nameservers or DNS registration - the domain currently does not resolve from here: $ host -t ns org. org name server d0.org.afilias-nst.org. org name server a0.org.afilias-nst.info. org name server c0.org.afilias-nst.info. org name server b0.org.afilias-nst.org. org name server b2.org.afilias-nst.org. org name server a2.org.afilias-nst.info. $ host -t any geda-project.org. d0.org.afilias-nst.org. Using domain server: Name: d0.org.afilias-nst.org. Address: 2001:500:f::1#53 Aliases: geda-project.org has no ANY record -Yenya -- | Jan "Yenya" Kasprzak | | GPG: ID 1024/D3498839 Fingerprint 0D99A7FB206605D7 8B35FCDE05B18A5E | | http://www.fi.muni.cz/~kas/ Journal: http://www.fi.muni.cz/~kas/blog/ | Please don't top post and in particular don't attach entire digests to your mail or we'll all soon be using bittorrent to read the list. --Alan Cox