X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: [geda-user] The state of gEDA/gaf (Was gEDA/PCBs diversity, Was: Pin hole size) From: John Doty In-Reply-To: <508EE43F.5050505@neurotica.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:38:02 -0600 Message-Id: <9B14233C-F3A7-489C-BDC7-F6EAAAFCAB51@noqsi.com> References: <2CB304B5-9587-4734-84E4-49F464744D11 AT noqsi DOT com> <6BF2E986-51EB-41E9-A4AD-8071CD00B1A1 AT jump-ing DOT de> <834283D4-0891-486E-A981-2FF20B32C615 AT noqsi DOT com> <54CAA7EE-7638-4B89-8197-111D0493F859 AT noqsi DOT com> <508CE947 DOT 4050408 AT xs4all DOT nl> <665E18E2-E9F9-40E4-9DE1-CC8FDBBDCB00 AT noqsi DOT com> <508EE43F DOT 5050505 AT neurotica DOT com> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id q9TKc8u0022456 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: >> >> I haven't found it difficult to get people to adopt gEDA. But no >> layout person I work with is willing to use pcb. > > What do these people use that they think is so much better? I like it > just fine. Osmond, Tango, Calay, PADS. One customer switched from Calay to PADS. For me, the change was a single word in a Makefile. What other tool or kit can do that? > Eight years ago it was a mess, but it's quite nice now. To me, the conceptual mess remains. As I said, it's like driving through downtown Boston: it's all random special cases, no structure. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com