X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at neurotica.com Message-ID: <508ED22E.4010703@neurotica.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:59:58 -0400 From: Dave McGuire User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121011 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] The state of gEDA/gaf (Was gEDA/PCBs diversity, Was: Pin hole size) References: <20121028164801 DOT GA4859 AT alpha2> <6BF2E986-51EB-41E9-A4AD-8071CD00B1A1 AT jump-ing DOT de> <834283D4-0891-486E-A981-2FF20B32C615 AT noqsi DOT com> <54CAA7EE-7638-4B89-8197-111D0493F859 AT noqsi DOT com> <508CE947 DOT 4050408 AT xs4all DOT nl> <508D302D DOT 1030105 AT jump-ing DOT de> <5FF7010F-BB82-41F2-8EBC-608E91E045F1 AT noqsi DOT com> <71Y DOT Jn6g DOT QcLTSHBZJi DOT 1GZPiP AT seznam DOT cz> <508ECB94 DOT 2020006 AT neurotica DOT com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com On 10/29/2012 02:44 PM, John Doty wrote: >> I'd say TeX is pretty popular. The drooling masses don't use it, >> but who cares? > > Exactly the point. TeX is much less popular than Word. But making TeX > more like Word would damage it severely. Can't argue with that. But it seems to me like you keep pounding about people wanting to dumb down the tools and remove functionality, but that's not what people are talking about doing. I agree with your assertion that, if your use case isn't specifically kept in mind by the people doing the development that they might miss something and break something that you need. This is an unfortunate possibility in ALL software. At least in this case, you yourself can be involved in the development, at least peripherally, to ensure that this does not happen. At some point, complaining about potential badness becomes complaining for the sake of complaining. We are dangerously close to that line here. It's clear that we need more development in both packages. It's too bad for all of us that the primary drivers of previous development have gotten busy on other things...for years I've touted gEDA/PCB as being two of the most actively-developed packages I've ever seen. That's not the case anymore. This is just an unfortunate fact. The projects NEED to have some time spent on them. Constant resistance to any potential change, and no suggestions other than "scrap it and rewrite it all" are doing nothing but putting a damper on things here. I could easily say a lot more, but I like and respect you, and I don't want to sound like I'm attacking you. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA