X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: [geda-user] The state of gEDA/gaf (Was gEDA/PCBs diversity, Was: Pin hole size) From: John Doty In-Reply-To: <201210291750.q9THoB8i013249@envy.delorie.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:35:14 -0600 Message-Id: <078A74EE-D76C-4FB6-8A41-503136266742@noqsi.com> References: <54CAA7EE-7638-4B89-8197-111D0493F859 AT noqsi DOT com> <508CE947 DOT 4050408 AT xs4all DOT nl> <508D302D DOT 1030105 AT jump-ing DOT de> <20121028164801 DOT GA4859 AT alpha2> <5FF7010F-BB82-41F2-8EBC-608E91E045F1 AT noqsi DOT com> <20121028185659 DOT GA16006 AT alpha2> <04438B14-A0ED-4F92-A101-5824420C24C1 AT noqsi DOT com> <20121029063943 DOT GA8685 AT fly> <201210291713 DOT q9THDK2C011621 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <508EBF40 DOT 8040703 AT unige DOT ch> <201210291750 DOT q9THoB8i013249 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id q9TIZMLA003981 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:50 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > Agreed, and we've driven off a fair bit of our user and developer > population with heated arguments that serve neither group. Having submitted a patch (with Bas Gieltjes) for a serious gnetlist bug in 2010, and having it received with hostility and eventually rewritten to the point that it didn't actually fix the bug, I submit that the hostility of the developer community to real repairs is a much more serious barrier to getting the essential work done than my opinions are. > *My* focus is not on the niche users, but on the > "ordinary user" - as I'm an "ordinary user" myself. I use gschem and > pcb to make circuit boards. I have the same wants and needs as most > geda users. In other words, your focus is on yourself, just as mine is. The difference is that "ordinary users", using only a limited subset of gEDA's capabilities, have alternatives. Those of us using the breadth and power of gEDA do not. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com