X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on fly.srk.fer.hr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=6.3 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.1 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:48:01 +0100 From: Ivan Stankovic To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] The state of gEDA/gaf (Was gEDA/PCBs diversity, Was: Pin hole size) Message-ID: <20121028164801.GA4859@alpha2> References: <6BF2E986-51EB-41E9-A4AD-8071CD00B1A1 AT jump-ing DOT de> <834283D4-0891-486E-A981-2FF20B32C615 AT noqsi DOT com> <54CAA7EE-7638-4B89-8197-111D0493F859 AT noqsi DOT com> <508CE947 DOT 4050408 AT xs4all DOT nl> <508D302D DOT 1030105 AT jump-ing DOT de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: GNU/Linux User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 09:40:40AM -0600, John Doty wrote: > On Oct 28, 2012, at 7:16 AM, Markus Hitter wrote: > > The reason of this (pardon) shortsightedness is beyond me, after all they > > could easily just stop updating their toolset. > > This again demonstrates that you don't understand the ways the toolkit might > be used. Do you think every gEDA user works by themselves? It is extremely > important that my customers and collaborators be able to install gEDA and > work on my projects. gEDA isn't limited to small projects by a single person. > It is, in fact, excellent for big projects. Right. Big projects need flexibility that only gEDA can provide and the users are accustomed to its configuration. Since, as everyone knows, the best way to extend or configure gEDA is by using a C compiler, the fact that there are so many gEDA forks out there is a clear testament of the toolkit's adoption and strengths. For those users who happen to know C and are willing to use it and spend some time going through existing code, any attempt to do anything is welcomed by... > If you only see gEDA as an appendage to pcb for hobbyist projects, you > haven't grasped its real power at all. That's why all these plans are > dangerous. ... this. Sarcasm aside, John, I've always appreciated your position and statements about the power and flexibility of gEDA over the years, but I think the above is a bit too much. Could you please choose a friendlier wording and specify what concrete plans are you worried about and why? It would also help to be more specific about various gEDA components, such as being explicit about the file format, libgeda, gnetlist, gschem etc. instead of mentioning "gEDA" or "toolkit" everywhere. -- Ivan Stankovic, pokemon AT fly DOT srk DOT fer DOT hr "Protect your digital freedom and privacy, eliminate DRM, learn more at http://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm"