X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: [geda-user] The state of gEDA/gaf (Was gEDA/PCBs diversity, Was: Pin hole size) From: John Doty In-Reply-To: <508D302D.1030105@jump-ing.de> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 09:40:40 -0600 Message-Id: References: <2CB304B5-9587-4734-84E4-49F464744D11 AT noqsi DOT com> <6BF2E986-51EB-41E9-A4AD-8071CD00B1A1 AT jump-ing DOT de> <834283D4-0891-486E-A981-2FF20B32C615 AT noqsi DOT com> <54CAA7EE-7638-4B89-8197-111D0493F859 AT noqsi DOT com> <508CE947 DOT 4050408 AT xs4all DOT nl> <508D302D DOT 1030105 AT jump-ing DOT de> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id q9SFekke008196 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Oct 28, 2012, at 7:16 AM, Markus Hitter wrote: > As we see in other posts, some gEDA users can't imagine how their Makefile workflow won't even be touched by alignments on the GUI level and outcry essentially on _any_ change to the toolkit. I've been burned by changes before. The most serious was when the attribute promotion default in gschem changed, and I wound up with hundreds of components with the wrong footprint attached. This was a change that was supposed to make things easier for small-scale users by a developer who didn't seem to understand big gEDA projects. > The reason of this (pardon) shortsightedness is beyond me, after all they could easily just stop updating their toolset. This again demonstrates that you don't understand the ways the toolkit might be used. Do you think every gEDA user works by themselves? It is extremely important that my customers and collaborators be able to install gEDA and work on my projects. gEDA isn't limited to small projects by a single person. It is, in fact, excellent for big projects. If you only see gEDA as an appendage to pcb for hobbyist projects, you haven't grasped its real power at all. That's why all these plans are dangerous. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com