X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Envelope-From: paubert AT iram DOT es Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:12:17 +0200 From: Gabriel Paubert To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] Soldering problems Message-ID: <20120718191216.GA29405@visitor2.iram.es> References: <500423C2 DOT 2030201 AT estechnical DOT co DOT uk> <500474CA DOT 5020505 AT estechnical DOT co DOT uk> <50065479 DOT 8060307 AT keensupport DOT net> <20120718081812 DOT GA2581 AT visitor2 DOT iram DOT es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-SPF-Received: 2 X-Spamina-Bogosity: Unsure X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-4.4 points) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.8 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 08:32:55AM -0700, Frank Miles wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012, Gabriel Paubert wrote: > > [snip] > > >I've been worried about leakage due to surface currents, this is an area > >in which I have little experience (in microwave at 50Ω characteristic > >impedance, leakage due to a few tens of kΩ would be irrelevant). In this > >circuit, there are up to 15V of potential difference between a pin > >and its very sensitive neighbour, where a leakage of 1nA would swamp > >the signal. The spcaing between the pads is only 0.3mm! As a precaution, > >I've been inserting guard ring in which forces me to use 100µm track > >width and spacing. The result is basically: > > In the "old days" nodes like this would joined on teflon standoffs. Guard > rings are very helpful, of course. Whether this can be made to work or not > - not sure. Hopefully it can, otherwise data sheet's values cannot be achieved. > > >Power pad|100µm space|100µm ground|100µm space|Signal pad|Space|Signal pad|... > > > > >I believe I can not do much better in terms of layout, but what should I > >do during assembly to ensure that the leakage due to potential residues > >between signal and power pad is ~100pA or less. 15V/100pA is 150GΩ, which > >I don't even know how to measure. I was thinking of cleaning up all residue > >carefully (acetone and/or IPA). Then the board will be handled with gloves > >and installed inside a shielded enclosure (no dust can come in). > > > >But still, I'd like advice from people who do low level signal measurements. > > You're probably already planning on it, but I'd recommend a series of > rinse operations, each using clean solvents, and draining carefully > between steps. Thanks. Yes I was planning at least 2 steps of rinse. > > Can you do anything to control (minimize) humidity? I can install the board inside the enclosure in a very dry environment, blowing dry air or even nitrogen around it. Once the enclosure is closed, it should be airtight. > > How are you going to test whether you've been successful or not? That's the part of the problem I'm still exploring. I have been thinking about it but until now I was mostly concerned by the assemly issues, so it's a bit premature to discuss these issues. I should get the board next week, but the enclosure will not arrive before October. Regards, Gabriel